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		By: Caty Simon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caty Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-respectability-politics-round-table-part-one/#comment-12654&quot;&gt;mindy chateauvert&lt;/a&gt;.

I love Cythia Blair--I&#039;m reading her book now! I would certainly like to know more about this, and yes, the way Blair uses the respectability politics lens in I&#039;ve Got To Make My Living is fascinating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-respectability-politics-round-table-part-one/#comment-12654">mindy chateauvert</a>.</p>
<p>I love Cythia Blair&#8211;I&#8217;m reading her book now! I would certainly like to know more about this, and yes, the way Blair uses the respectability politics lens in I&#8217;ve Got To Make My Living is fascinating.</p>
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		By: mindy chateauvert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mindy chateauvert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Caty -- my point was that Evelyn ripped off my term by not giving me proper credit, and then profited from my intellectual labor. so yes, I used the p word, which has certainly most been used by lots of other grad students to describe the exploitative relationship they&#039;ve had with their diss. directors, regardless of race. There&#039;s a lot more to my professional/personal relationship with EBH than I will discuss in in this forum, but it&#039;s interesting to note the ways that the politics of respectability also configured the analysis by Cynthia Blair, another of her dissertation students, in I&#039;ve Got to Make my Living, about Chicago&#039;s African American hincty community and prostitutes in turn of the (19th) century Chicago (http://www.amazon.com/Ive-Make-Livin-Turn-Century/dp/0226055981). My review of Blair&#039;s book will be in the Journal of African American History soon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Caty &#8212; my point was that Evelyn ripped off my term by not giving me proper credit, and then profited from my intellectual labor. so yes, I used the p word, which has certainly most been used by lots of other grad students to describe the exploitative relationship they&#8217;ve had with their diss. directors, regardless of race. There&#8217;s a lot more to my professional/personal relationship with EBH than I will discuss in in this forum, but it&#8217;s interesting to note the ways that the politics of respectability also configured the analysis by Cynthia Blair, another of her dissertation students, in I&#8217;ve Got to Make my Living, about Chicago&#8217;s African American hincty community and prostitutes in turn of the (19th) century Chicago (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ive-Make-Livin-Turn-Century/dp/0226055981" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.amazon.com/Ive-Make-Livin-Turn-Century/dp/0226055981</a>). My review of Blair&#8217;s book will be in the Journal of African American History soon.</p>
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		By: Caty Simon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caty Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 21:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-respectability-politics-round-table-part-one/#comment-12548&quot;&gt;mindy chateauvert&lt;/a&gt;.

And, thanks, this is fascinating, and gives me more of a reading list, but one thing: the power politics between a black dissertation director and a white grad student in the late 80s are difficult to parse, and it makes me uncomfortable that you go straight for the &quot;p&quot; word. Sorry if I&#039;m overstepping, I mean, I don&#039;t know much about the situation. 
REALLY looking forward to reading your book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-respectability-politics-round-table-part-one/#comment-12548">mindy chateauvert</a>.</p>
<p>And, thanks, this is fascinating, and gives me more of a reading list, but one thing: the power politics between a black dissertation director and a white grad student in the late 80s are difficult to parse, and it makes me uncomfortable that you go straight for the &#8220;p&#8221; word. Sorry if I&#8217;m overstepping, I mean, I don&#8217;t know much about the situation.<br />
REALLY looking forward to reading your book.</p>
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		By: Caty Simon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 21:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-respectability-politics-round-table-part-one/#comment-12548&quot;&gt;mindy chateauvert&lt;/a&gt;.

Mindy, you have seen Peechington Marie&#039;s addendum to the round table, going into the history of the term within the Black community and the affect of respectability politics on Black sex workers, right? 
https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-the-people-who-coined-the-term-addendum-to-the-respectability-politics-round-table/
Peechington dates the term back to Evelyn Higginbotham, but she also goes into more of the cultural history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-respectability-politics-round-table-part-one/#comment-12548">mindy chateauvert</a>.</p>
<p>Mindy, you have seen Peechington Marie&#8217;s addendum to the round table, going into the history of the term within the Black community and the affect of respectability politics on Black sex workers, right?<br />
<a href="https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-the-people-who-coined-the-term-addendum-to-the-respectability-politics-round-table/" rel="ugc">https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-the-people-who-coined-the-term-addendum-to-the-respectability-politics-round-table/</a><br />
Peechington dates the term back to Evelyn Higginbotham, but she also goes into more of the cultural history.</p>
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		By: mindy chateauvert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Oct 2013 20:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[hey folks... 
i&#039;m really excited to see discussion happening in real time with folks who are working in the movement. it&#039;s precisely this issue that i address in my forthcoming book, Sex Workers Unite! A History of the Movement from Stonewall to Slutwalk http://www.beacon.org/productdetails.cfm?PC=2332  

one of the reasons why i have been particularly concerned about &quot;respectability&quot; is because it so clearly links sexual behavior with the rights that people &quot;deserve&quot; or don&#039;t deserve as citizens, even as human beings. on so many other issues, including single motherhood, gay marriage, public sex, reproductive justice, leaders have refused to challenge outright the sexual puritanism that make them controversial.  

however, let me just offer a smallish, librarianish and historical correction for the citations and history of respectability. i first wrote about black women and respectability in 1989... and like many graduate students, got ripped off by my dissertation director, who used the idea here (http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674769786). [i&#039;d liken dissertation directors to &quot;pimps,&quot; but some might say i&#039;m being too kind.] my 1992 dissertation and 1998 book (http://books.google.com/books/about/Marching_Together.html?id=g1_NLnQi1osC) actually argued something different than Righteous Discontent. While 19th Century African American church women were intent on establishing their respectability (in a very WEB DuBosian idea), the working class African American women active in union organizing during the mid-twentieth century had a somewhat different view. They understood respectability as a cultural strategy and were willing to pretend conformity to it in their political rhetoric, but many personally rejected the pretentiousness and social distancing that middle class black leaders engaged in. Moreover, as Rhonda Y. Williams found (http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Politics_of_Public_Housing_Black_Wom.html?id=7zw7ExjJ1CkC) African American women in the public housing projects of Baltimore in the 1960s and 1970s organized their communities against the respectability politics that officials used to punish residents who didn&#039;t comply with all the bourgeois rules imposed on them by social workers and public officials. Cathy Cohen wrote about the deadly consequences of respectability politics during the AIDS crisis, see this http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/B/bo3630260.html. End of lecture. Sorry I couldn&#039;t help it, but i&#039;ve been teaching this stuff for more than two decades. 

cheers!
mindy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey folks&#8230;<br />
i&#8217;m really excited to see discussion happening in real time with folks who are working in the movement. it&#8217;s precisely this issue that i address in my forthcoming book, Sex Workers Unite! A History of the Movement from Stonewall to Slutwalk <a href="http://www.beacon.org/productdetails.cfm?PC=2332" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.beacon.org/productdetails.cfm?PC=2332</a>  </p>
<p>one of the reasons why i have been particularly concerned about &#8220;respectability&#8221; is because it so clearly links sexual behavior with the rights that people &#8220;deserve&#8221; or don&#8217;t deserve as citizens, even as human beings. on so many other issues, including single motherhood, gay marriage, public sex, reproductive justice, leaders have refused to challenge outright the sexual puritanism that make them controversial.  </p>
<p>however, let me just offer a smallish, librarianish and historical correction for the citations and history of respectability. i first wrote about black women and respectability in 1989&#8230; and like many graduate students, got ripped off by my dissertation director, who used the idea here (<a href="http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674769786" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674769786</a>). [i&#8217;d liken dissertation directors to &#8220;pimps,&#8221; but some might say i&#8217;m being too kind.] my 1992 dissertation and 1998 book (<a href="http://books.google.com/books/about/Marching_Together.html?id=g1_NLnQi1osC" rel="nofollow ugc">http://books.google.com/books/about/Marching_Together.html?id=g1_NLnQi1osC</a>) actually argued something different than Righteous Discontent. While 19th Century African American church women were intent on establishing their respectability (in a very WEB DuBosian idea), the working class African American women active in union organizing during the mid-twentieth century had a somewhat different view. They understood respectability as a cultural strategy and were willing to pretend conformity to it in their political rhetoric, but many personally rejected the pretentiousness and social distancing that middle class black leaders engaged in. Moreover, as Rhonda Y. Williams found (<a href="http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Politics_of_Public_Housing_Black_Wom.html?id=7zw7ExjJ1CkC" rel="nofollow ugc">http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Politics_of_Public_Housing_Black_Wom.html?id=7zw7ExjJ1CkC</a>) African American women in the public housing projects of Baltimore in the 1960s and 1970s organized their communities against the respectability politics that officials used to punish residents who didn&#8217;t comply with all the bourgeois rules imposed on them by social workers and public officials. Cathy Cohen wrote about the deadly consequences of respectability politics during the AIDS crisis, see this <a href="http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/B/bo3630260.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/B/bo3630260.html</a>. End of lecture. Sorry I couldn&#8217;t help it, but i&#8217;ve been teaching this stuff for more than two decades. </p>
<p>cheers!<br />
mindy</p>
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		By: Caty Simon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caty Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2013 17:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-respectability-politics-round-table-part-one/#comment-12268&quot;&gt;Caty Simon&lt;/a&gt;.

Who gets left out, indeed.]]></description>
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<p>Who gets left out, indeed.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caty Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2013 17:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-respectability-politics-round-table-part-one/#comment-12267&quot;&gt;LoriAdorable&lt;/a&gt;.

I just wanted to repeat what I wrote in response to peechingtonmariejust on Tumblr: 
&quot;Wow, I’m really sorry. This was indeed disgusting and horrible of us, and if there’s any way we can address this and do better, please let me know. Obv. “respectability politics” was a term/concept coined by the Black community and we should have had Black sex workers discussing it...&quot;
I hope peechingtonmarie will be interested in doing a continuation/improvement of this dialogue with other Black women. I&#039;d be interested in any other suggestions from Black sex workers on how to rectify this exclusion, though. I love peechingtonmariejust&#039;s tumblr and I think I&#039;ve asked her to write for us before, but I&#039;m not totally sure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/who-gets-left-out-respectability-politics-round-table-part-one/#comment-12267">LoriAdorable</a>.</p>
<p>I just wanted to repeat what I wrote in response to peechingtonmariejust on Tumblr:<br />
&#8220;Wow, I’m really sorry. This was indeed disgusting and horrible of us, and if there’s any way we can address this and do better, please let me know. Obv. “respectability politics” was a term/concept coined by the Black community and we should have had Black sex workers discussing it&#8230;&#8221;<br />
I hope peechingtonmarie will be interested in doing a continuation/improvement of this dialogue with other Black women. I&#8217;d be interested in any other suggestions from Black sex workers on how to rectify this exclusion, though. I love peechingtonmariejust&#8217;s tumblr and I think I&#8217;ve asked her to write for us before, but I&#8217;m not totally sure.</p>
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		By: LoriAdorable		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Oct 2013 17:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m honored to be name-dropped in this discussion, but I also feel like there are a lot of individuals more deserving of a mention than I am, people who would and should be integral to discussions of respectability. Tumblr user peechingtonmariejust pointed out that there aren&#039;t any Black women on this roundtable (http://peechingtonmariejust.tumblr.com/post/62966507714) despite Black women having named and identified the very concept of respectability (http://peechingtonmariejust.tumblr.com/post/62967587075), the term being intimately linked to Black struggles for racial equality (http://peechingtonmariejust.tumblr.com/post/62971296338) and the fact that Black women are the most likely to be facing these issues in other communities, like sex worker communities. I&#039;m not sure how you figured out who to involve in this roundtable or who you reached out to, but I felt this critique was worth pointing out in this space.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m honored to be name-dropped in this discussion, but I also feel like there are a lot of individuals more deserving of a mention than I am, people who would and should be integral to discussions of respectability. Tumblr user peechingtonmariejust pointed out that there aren&#8217;t any Black women on this roundtable (<a href="http://peechingtonmariejust.tumblr.com/post/62966507714" rel="nofollow ugc">http://peechingtonmariejust.tumblr.com/post/62966507714</a>) despite Black women having named and identified the very concept of respectability (<a href="http://peechingtonmariejust.tumblr.com/post/62967587075" rel="nofollow ugc">http://peechingtonmariejust.tumblr.com/post/62967587075</a>), the term being intimately linked to Black struggles for racial equality (<a href="http://peechingtonmariejust.tumblr.com/post/62971296338" rel="nofollow ugc">http://peechingtonmariejust.tumblr.com/post/62971296338</a>) and the fact that Black women are the most likely to be facing these issues in other communities, like sex worker communities. I&#8217;m not sure how you figured out who to involve in this roundtable or who you reached out to, but I felt this critique was worth pointing out in this space.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Oct 2013 23:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, sorry if this isn&#039;t clear from the dialogue, but Melissa also worked at St James in the past.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, sorry if this isn&#8217;t clear from the dialogue, but Melissa also worked at St James in the past.</p>
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