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	Comments on: University of Toronto Panel: &#8220;The Myth of Ending Demand For Prostitution&#8221;	</title>
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		By: Corinne		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/university-of-toronto-panel-the-myth-of-ending-demand-for-prostitution/#comment-248436</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;My dood friend summed it up best; “Some men really truly deserve to know what it’s like to have sex with a beautiful woman, and they will never get that chance, unless they pay for it. So, good for them.”

This is a nightmare. Men do not &quot;deserve&quot; anything regarding other people&#039;s bodies. Spreading this message of make entitlement is exactly the issue women have with prostitution. Fuck you and your MRA agenda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My dood friend summed it up best; “Some men really truly deserve to know what it’s like to have sex with a beautiful woman, and they will never get that chance, unless they pay for it. So, good for them.”</p>
<p>This is a nightmare. Men do not &#8220;deserve&#8221; anything regarding other people&#8217;s bodies. Spreading this message of make entitlement is exactly the issue women have with prostitution. Fuck you and your MRA agenda.</p>
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		By: Joyce Arthur		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/university-of-toronto-panel-the-myth-of-ending-demand-for-prostitution/#comment-2076</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joyce Arthur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 03:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this great article, I really enjoyed reading it.
 
However, I just want to correct what seems to be a significant misperception - there are many, many feminists who support sex worker rights. In fact, Canada has two explicitly feminist groups who advocate for sex workers and full decriminalization of sex work. I believe we may be the only such groups in the world:

FIRST (Decriminalize Sex Work) - www.firstadvocates.org / http://www.facebook.com/pages/FIRST-Decriminalize-Sex-Work-Now/186804681196?sk=wall 

And in Quebec: AFS - Feminist Alliance in Solidarity for Sex Worker Rights (Alliance Féministe Solidaire pour les droits des travailleuses(rs) du sexe). http://www.facebook.com/alliancefeministesolidaire 

We call the prohibitionist feminists &quot;radical feminists&quot; to distinguish them from us.
Thanks a lot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this great article, I really enjoyed reading it.</p>
<p>However, I just want to correct what seems to be a significant misperception &#8211; there are many, many feminists who support sex worker rights. In fact, Canada has two explicitly feminist groups who advocate for sex workers and full decriminalization of sex work. I believe we may be the only such groups in the world:</p>
<p>FIRST (Decriminalize Sex Work) &#8211; <a href="http://www.firstadvocates.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.firstadvocates.org</a> / <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/FIRST-Decriminalize-Sex-Work-Now/186804681196?sk=wall" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.facebook.com/pages/FIRST-Decriminalize-Sex-Work-Now/186804681196?sk=wall</a> </p>
<p>And in Quebec: AFS &#8211; Feminist Alliance in Solidarity for Sex Worker Rights (Alliance Féministe Solidaire pour les droits des travailleuses(rs) du sexe). <a href="http://www.facebook.com/alliancefeministesolidaire" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.facebook.com/alliancefeministesolidaire</a> </p>
<p>We call the prohibitionist feminists &#8220;radical feminists&#8221; to distinguish them from us.<br />
Thanks a lot.</p>
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		By: Seamus O'Derty		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/university-of-toronto-panel-the-myth-of-ending-demand-for-prostitution/#comment-2038</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seamus O'Derty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is what the Christian Fellowship League (CLF) submitted to the Ontario Supreme Court in regards to supporting keeping the activities around prostitution illegal (prostitution itself is legal in Canada, both on the buyer and seller side, what&#039;s illegal is: having a place where you do it, communicating about it in public, or having someone live off the avails of it). But here is what the CLF thinks about it:

&quot;.....the [prostitution] laws are a reflection of society’s views, soundly rooted in interfaith morality, which is that prostitution is an act that offends the conscience of ordinary Canadian citizens.… The Intervenors submit that prostitution is immoral. It should be stigmatized. Prostitution victimizes anyone who engages in it. This is not prudish sensibilities: it is a fundamental societal value rooted in Charter values.… Prostitution is wrong.... It offends basic concepts of decency. Many Canadians, including some members of the Intervenors … want the government… to make prostitution illegal entirely.&quot;

I wonder what the CLF has to say about a women&#039;s right to abortion?  Yes it is a very strange and disturbing alliance that has formed between the radical prohibitionists feminists and the Christian right in advocating the Swedish model. Thankfully most Canadians are actually in support of decriminalization especially in the wake of the brutal serial killings of sex workers in Vancouver.

I&#039;m glad that the Canadian courts thus far have ruled that these laws are unconstitutional and are actually contributing to the violence against sex workers. But the reality is that sex workers in Canada need to get their act together and organize and advocate for our rights.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what the Christian Fellowship League (CLF) submitted to the Ontario Supreme Court in regards to supporting keeping the activities around prostitution illegal (prostitution itself is legal in Canada, both on the buyer and seller side, what&#8217;s illegal is: having a place where you do it, communicating about it in public, or having someone live off the avails of it). But here is what the CLF thinks about it:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;..the [prostitution] laws are a reflection of society’s views, soundly rooted in interfaith morality, which is that prostitution is an act that offends the conscience of ordinary Canadian citizens.… The Intervenors submit that prostitution is immoral. It should be stigmatized. Prostitution victimizes anyone who engages in it. This is not prudish sensibilities: it is a fundamental societal value rooted in Charter values.… Prostitution is wrong&#8230;. It offends basic concepts of decency. Many Canadians, including some members of the Intervenors … want the government… to make prostitution illegal entirely.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder what the CLF has to say about a women&#8217;s right to abortion?  Yes it is a very strange and disturbing alliance that has formed between the radical prohibitionists feminists and the Christian right in advocating the Swedish model. Thankfully most Canadians are actually in support of decriminalization especially in the wake of the brutal serial killings of sex workers in Vancouver.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that the Canadian courts thus far have ruled that these laws are unconstitutional and are actually contributing to the violence against sex workers. But the reality is that sex workers in Canada need to get their act together and organize and advocate for our rights.</p>
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		By: Elle		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/university-of-toronto-panel-the-myth-of-ending-demand-for-prostitution/#comment-2003</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 19:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Prostitution will always have a demand. My dood friend summed it up best; &quot;Some men really truly deserve to know what it&#039;s like to have sex with a beautiful woman, and they will never get that chance, unless they pay for it. So, good for them.&quot;

Also, I love that the girl on the right is smiling, also that her leg is disappearing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prostitution will always have a demand. My dood friend summed it up best; &#8220;Some men really truly deserve to know what it&#8217;s like to have sex with a beautiful woman, and they will never get that chance, unless they pay for it. So, good for them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, I love that the girl on the right is smiling, also that her leg is disappearing.</p>
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		By: Wendy Lyon		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/university-of-toronto-panel-the-myth-of-ending-demand-for-prostitution/#comment-1999</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wendy Lyon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In Sweden and Norway, the number of men who admit to buying sex has greatly decreased since the law against it was brought in. That does suggest that the law has had a stigmatising effect on them (though it doesn&#039;t prove, despite what its advocates claim about it, that the number of men who are actually buying sex has decreased). Don Kulick wrote a great piece called &quot;Four Hundred Thousand Swedish Perverts&quot; in which he argues that the law is part of a pattern of attempts to pathologise people who engage in &quot;un-Swedish&quot; behaviour; unfortunately the link I had has gone behind a paywall. You&#039;re right anyway that the stigma is still greater for those who sell sex.

Farley&#039;s &quot;research&quot;, unfortunately, does turn up regularly in abolitionist feminist propaganda and is influential in places where governance feminism plays a role in the political order. But the fact that it dovetails with right-wing views about commercial sex undoubtedly gives it legs in more conservative areas. It reminds me of when Catharine MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin got their anti-pornography law passed in Indianapolis (hardly a feminist hotbed) - all the Republicans voted for it, all the Democrats voted against.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Sweden and Norway, the number of men who admit to buying sex has greatly decreased since the law against it was brought in. That does suggest that the law has had a stigmatising effect on them (though it doesn&#8217;t prove, despite what its advocates claim about it, that the number of men who are actually buying sex has decreased). Don Kulick wrote a great piece called &#8220;Four Hundred Thousand Swedish Perverts&#8221; in which he argues that the law is part of a pattern of attempts to pathologise people who engage in &#8220;un-Swedish&#8221; behaviour; unfortunately the link I had has gone behind a paywall. You&#8217;re right anyway that the stigma is still greater for those who sell sex.</p>
<p>Farley&#8217;s &#8220;research&#8221;, unfortunately, does turn up regularly in abolitionist feminist propaganda and is influential in places where governance feminism plays a role in the political order. But the fact that it dovetails with right-wing views about commercial sex undoubtedly gives it legs in more conservative areas. It reminds me of when Catharine MacKinnon and Andrea Dworkin got their anti-pornography law passed in Indianapolis (hardly a feminist hotbed) &#8211; all the Republicans voted for it, all the Democrats voted against.</p>
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		By: theswjournal		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/university-of-toronto-panel-the-myth-of-ending-demand-for-prostitution/#comment-1997</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theswjournal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 00:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Holy smoke!

The main problem is that nobody is debating the issue.  Sex workers and clients remain more or less in the closet in an attempt to hide their identities.  While those who claim to work against trafficking continue with relentless attacks.

The ironic thing is that the people working against true trafficking never usually find or help their victims, who tend to be deep underground.  Instead they generally focus their attention on voluntary workers.

We are all going to have to speak up if we are ever going to get any progress.  Websites like this are a perfect first step.

Really, I simply do not understand what feminists have against the sale of sex?!  Isn&#039;t it possible that a woman could chose this as opposed to other forms of labor?  Shouldn&#039;t women have the choice of what to do with their bodies?  I though this was what feminism was all about?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy smoke!</p>
<p>The main problem is that nobody is debating the issue.  Sex workers and clients remain more or less in the closet in an attempt to hide their identities.  While those who claim to work against trafficking continue with relentless attacks.</p>
<p>The ironic thing is that the people working against true trafficking never usually find or help their victims, who tend to be deep underground.  Instead they generally focus their attention on voluntary workers.</p>
<p>We are all going to have to speak up if we are ever going to get any progress.  Websites like this are a perfect first step.</p>
<p>Really, I simply do not understand what feminists have against the sale of sex?!  Isn&#8217;t it possible that a woman could chose this as opposed to other forms of labor?  Shouldn&#8217;t women have the choice of what to do with their bodies?  I though this was what feminism was all about?</p>
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		By: suzyhooker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[suzyhooker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 00:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Done and done. Here is the link: http://www.prostitutescollective.net/Ontario_court_ruling2010onsc4264.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Done and done. Here is the link: <a href="http://www.prostitutescollective.net/Ontario_court_ruling2010onsc4264.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.prostitutescollective.net/Ontario_court_ruling2010onsc4264.pdf</a></p>
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		By: Foo Bar		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/university-of-toronto-panel-the-myth-of-ending-demand-for-prostitution/#comment-1995</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Foo Bar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062; skip to paragraph 352 in the above link if you want to read the Canadian judicial version of a bitchslap.

I would very much like to read paragraph 352, but I have no idea which link you mean. Would you edit your post to include the link in relevant location?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; skip to paragraph 352 in the above link if you want to read the Canadian judicial version of a bitchslap.</p>
<p>I would very much like to read paragraph 352, but I have no idea which link you mean. Would you edit your post to include the link in relevant location?</p>
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