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		By: Pros(e), Issue #1 (2012)		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] you need the money, and thus your fellow sex worker kicks your ass and makes you get changed. I read Unequal Desires by Siobhan Brooks recently and it amazes me how her observations about how black women are devalued [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] you need the money, and thus your fellow sex worker kicks your ass and makes you get changed. I read Unequal Desires by Siobhan Brooks recently and it amazes me how her observations about how black women are devalued [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Jolene		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/unequal-desires-by-siobhan-brooks-2010/#comment-2692</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/unequal-desires-by-siobhan-brooks-2010/#comment-2688&quot;&gt;Melissa Gira Grant&lt;/a&gt;.

In fact, yes, this HAS changed since 2006. Six years is a long time. I myself have been there for three, and have served on stage, as support staff, in the madam office, as well as on the BOD (my current position). In every hiring cycle I&#039;ve witnessed or participated in, race/size are carefully taken into consideration so as not to end up with a boring, Barbie clone-like stage. We want ladies of all possible shapes, sizes, colors, backgrounds, styles, and attitudes. And scheduling is done simply by seniority &#038; stage variety, not by scheduling more &quot;conventionally attractive&quot; (skinny &#038; white) dancers so as to raise revenues. 

The Lusty is far from perfect, but once again, your experience was a very long time ago. Almost no one that worked there then is still there now, and the community &#038; workplace culture has changed. 

And still, I am being misunderstood. Yes, racism, sizism, and many other -isms are rampant in strip clubs and the sex industry overall! But I don&#039;t like to make sweeping generalizations about places and businesses that I&#039;ve never worked in or visited. I have no idea what it&#039;s like to strip anywhere outside California or Texas, or to make porn outside of the SF scene, or do any sex work that I haven&#039;t tried. I won&#039;t speak for an experience I&#039;ve never had.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/unequal-desires-by-siobhan-brooks-2010/#comment-2688">Melissa Gira Grant</a>.</p>
<p>In fact, yes, this HAS changed since 2006. Six years is a long time. I myself have been there for three, and have served on stage, as support staff, in the madam office, as well as on the BOD (my current position). In every hiring cycle I&#8217;ve witnessed or participated in, race/size are carefully taken into consideration so as not to end up with a boring, Barbie clone-like stage. We want ladies of all possible shapes, sizes, colors, backgrounds, styles, and attitudes. And scheduling is done simply by seniority &amp; stage variety, not by scheduling more &#8220;conventionally attractive&#8221; (skinny &amp; white) dancers so as to raise revenues. </p>
<p>The Lusty is far from perfect, but once again, your experience was a very long time ago. Almost no one that worked there then is still there now, and the community &amp; workplace culture has changed. </p>
<p>And still, I am being misunderstood. Yes, racism, sizism, and many other -isms are rampant in strip clubs and the sex industry overall! But I don&#8217;t like to make sweeping generalizations about places and businesses that I&#8217;ve never worked in or visited. I have no idea what it&#8217;s like to strip anywhere outside California or Texas, or to make porn outside of the SF scene, or do any sex work that I haven&#8217;t tried. I won&#8217;t speak for an experience I&#8217;ve never had.</p>
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		By: Melissa Gira Grant		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/unequal-desires-by-siobhan-brooks-2010/#comment-2681&quot;&gt;Jolene&lt;/a&gt;.

Why am I not surprised that someone from the Lusty is ascribing racism in stripping to individual clubs, and not systemic racism in all employment?

The reality is, the Lusty has hid behind unionization and co-operative ownership to hold up hiring practices that discriminate based on size and race. Maybe this has changed since I was fired illegally in 2006 for organizing around these issues?

http://www.sfbg.com/2006/09/26/lusty-lady-loses-its-innocence

All that said, the Lusty isn&#039;t unique in this, and this isn&#039;t to pile on the Lusty -- only to say, in recent history, this was still going on there, in a club that is spoken of both by its workers and outside supporters as a model. In many ways, the Lusty is a great model. In others, some progressive practices adopted there are just cosmetic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/unequal-desires-by-siobhan-brooks-2010/#comment-2681">Jolene</a>.</p>
<p>Why am I not surprised that someone from the Lusty is ascribing racism in stripping to individual clubs, and not systemic racism in all employment?</p>
<p>The reality is, the Lusty has hid behind unionization and co-operative ownership to hold up hiring practices that discriminate based on size and race. Maybe this has changed since I was fired illegally in 2006 for organizing around these issues?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfbg.com/2006/09/26/lusty-lady-loses-its-innocence" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sfbg.com/2006/09/26/lusty-lady-loses-its-innocence</a></p>
<p>All that said, the Lusty isn&#8217;t unique in this, and this isn&#8217;t to pile on the Lusty &#8212; only to say, in recent history, this was still going on there, in a club that is spoken of both by its workers and outside supporters as a model. In many ways, the Lusty is a great model. In others, some progressive practices adopted there are just cosmetic.</p>
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		By: Jessica P		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 02:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On a similar note, there&#039;s a book I&#039;ve been meaning to check out that has some pretty decent reviews on Amazon...it&#039;s called Money Shot: The Wild Nights and Lonely Days Inside the Black Porn Industry, by Lawrence C. Ross Jr.

Just thought I&#039;d share for anyone that likes going off on sex industry reading tangents like I do...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a similar note, there&#8217;s a book I&#8217;ve been meaning to check out that has some pretty decent reviews on Amazon&#8230;it&#8217;s called Money Shot: The Wild Nights and Lonely Days Inside the Black Porn Industry, by Lawrence C. Ross Jr.</p>
<p>Just thought I&#8217;d share for anyone that likes going off on sex industry reading tangents like I do&#8230;</p>
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		By: Jolene		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To reply to Wendy and Julie, let me clarify my meaning. I in no way meant to say that because race is treated differently at the Lusty now than it was in the past, mostly because of unionization and the cooperative system, that race is not an issue in strip clubs. On the contrary, race in most strip clubs is an extremely sensitive and important issue, and dancers of color are at a disadvantage in many areas and clubs.

What I meant to say was that I&#039;m getting tired of outdated information being presented as relevant, recent information about a business that I&#039;m a part owner of, and take great pride in. Siobhan Brooks is quoted often speaking about her experience at the Lusty, and treating it as a situation that is still current, 

As a peepshow, the Lusty is a very different workplace than the average strip club, as there is no customer contact, no lapdances, and hourly wages based on seniority. Less stage time means less money, when you&#039;re working for an hourly wage. 

As a bigger girl (at least in the sex industry), I&#039;ve worked in mostly black/multi-ethnic clubs when not at the Lusty, as the mostly white clubs will not usually hire a 5&#039;11&quot;, size 12, pierced and tattooed dancer, whereas the black clubs seem to be more accepting of different looks, sizes, and styles. There is discrimination all over the place in strip clubs, based on age, size, color, body art, and any number of completely subjective circumstances. It all boils down to what the hiring managers think will make them the most money, and often outdated ideas of what sells in the sex industry keeps some types of women from being hired at different types of clubs.

I&#039;m sorry if I was not completely clear earlier on my meaning, I just wish that current information was more widely known.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To reply to Wendy and Julie, let me clarify my meaning. I in no way meant to say that because race is treated differently at the Lusty now than it was in the past, mostly because of unionization and the cooperative system, that race is not an issue in strip clubs. On the contrary, race in most strip clubs is an extremely sensitive and important issue, and dancers of color are at a disadvantage in many areas and clubs.</p>
<p>What I meant to say was that I&#8217;m getting tired of outdated information being presented as relevant, recent information about a business that I&#8217;m a part owner of, and take great pride in. Siobhan Brooks is quoted often speaking about her experience at the Lusty, and treating it as a situation that is still current, </p>
<p>As a peepshow, the Lusty is a very different workplace than the average strip club, as there is no customer contact, no lapdances, and hourly wages based on seniority. Less stage time means less money, when you&#8217;re working for an hourly wage. </p>
<p>As a bigger girl (at least in the sex industry), I&#8217;ve worked in mostly black/multi-ethnic clubs when not at the Lusty, as the mostly white clubs will not usually hire a 5&#8217;11&#8221;, size 12, pierced and tattooed dancer, whereas the black clubs seem to be more accepting of different looks, sizes, and styles. There is discrimination all over the place in strip clubs, based on age, size, color, body art, and any number of completely subjective circumstances. It all boils down to what the hiring managers think will make them the most money, and often outdated ideas of what sells in the sex industry keeps some types of women from being hired at different types of clubs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I was not completely clear earlier on my meaning, I just wish that current information was more widely known.</p>
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		By: story		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great article, Mona. Too bad the author didn&#039;t go beyond white and black as the two major racial categories (leaves a lot of people out and paints a picture of society that is just too...black and white). My experience (as a white stripper) dancing across the country in clubs with a white majority, is that management found it desirable to always have at least one &quot;exotic&quot; girl along with one fat girl and one girl with a bush and one older broad and one girl that looked twelve. These girls were meant to pander to the fetishists  since they weren&#039;t &quot;normal&quot;. 
Without having read the book, I&#039;d be interested in knowing how the author deals with the perspective of women of color in the clubs. Does she address how or if they internalize themselves as &quot;exotic&quot; or whether and how they choose to use their skin color to their financial advantage?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Mona. Too bad the author didn&#8217;t go beyond white and black as the two major racial categories (leaves a lot of people out and paints a picture of society that is just too&#8230;black and white). My experience (as a white stripper) dancing across the country in clubs with a white majority, is that management found it desirable to always have at least one &#8220;exotic&#8221; girl along with one fat girl and one girl with a bush and one older broad and one girl that looked twelve. These girls were meant to pander to the fetishists  since they weren&#8217;t &#8220;normal&#8221;.<br />
Without having read the book, I&#8217;d be interested in knowing how the author deals with the perspective of women of color in the clubs. Does she address how or if they internalize themselves as &#8220;exotic&#8221; or whether and how they choose to use their skin color to their financial advantage?</p>
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		By: Lilly Muse		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great review, Mona, thank you.  This book sounds like a worthy read, though I&#039;d have to agree that there are probably some significant pieces of the puzzle missing.  In cities where black clubs are the go-to places (Atlanta, Houston), these girls are considered highly desirable and make mad money.  I also assume in many predominantly white clubs, the occasional dancer of color would be considered a novelty, though that sort of &quot;exotic&quot; edge is just based on stereotypes and used by club promoters to their advantage: black girls are a chocolate treat, Latinas are spicy sex machines, Asians are virginal and submissive.  Blegh, it sounds gross even saying it.

That said, I&#039;ve never stripped and am unfortunately ignorant to the realities of club work, but I&#039;m curious how race issues parallel in the escorting world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review, Mona, thank you.  This book sounds like a worthy read, though I&#8217;d have to agree that there are probably some significant pieces of the puzzle missing.  In cities where black clubs are the go-to places (Atlanta, Houston), these girls are considered highly desirable and make mad money.  I also assume in many predominantly white clubs, the occasional dancer of color would be considered a novelty, though that sort of &#8220;exotic&#8221; edge is just based on stereotypes and used by club promoters to their advantage: black girls are a chocolate treat, Latinas are spicy sex machines, Asians are virginal and submissive.  Blegh, it sounds gross even saying it.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ve never stripped and am unfortunately ignorant to the realities of club work, but I&#8217;m curious how race issues parallel in the escorting world.</p>
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		By: Wendy Lyon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/unequal-desires-by-siobhan-brooks-2010/#comment-2662&quot;&gt;Jolene&lt;/a&gt;.

I believe she was involved in the unionization. She wrote an article about it called &quot;Organizing from Behind the Glass&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/unequal-desires-by-siobhan-brooks-2010/#comment-2662">Jolene</a>.</p>
<p>I believe she was involved in the unionization. She wrote an article about it called &#8220;Organizing from Behind the Glass&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Al		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[First, I should say I love this blog!  It provides a first-person perspective of the sex industry from those who work in the field.  In regards to the book, I have to read it.  I&#039;ve known strippers who&#039;ve worked at all-white clubs, as well as, black.  The joints were located in Tampa.  Based on what was said to me, they got mad respect (and tips).  Maybe it depends on the location of the club; who knows?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I should say I love this blog!  It provides a first-person perspective of the sex industry from those who work in the field.  In regards to the book, I have to read it.  I&#8217;ve known strippers who&#8217;ve worked at all-white clubs, as well as, black.  The joints were located in Tampa.  Based on what was said to me, they got mad respect (and tips).  Maybe it depends on the location of the club; who knows?</p>
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		By: Elena		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if her conclusions would be different if she was dancing in a majority black city, like Atlanta (where I&#039;m currently located.) We have mixed clubs like the one I work at, but the real &quot;prestige&quot; clubs that everyone knows about are the ones rappers make songs about - Strokers, Magic City, Onyx... 
I also find it interesting that she says less stage time = less money. That might be the case at the Lusty Lady, which I understand is more of a peep show, but at many clubs around the country, dancers will pay the DJ to stay off the stage because they make more money hustling on the floor. 
Like the author, I&#039;m kinda interested in this topic. I&#039;m a dancer of East Asian heritage - there aren&#039;t a whole lot of us out there - and I&#039;ve never really felt like I fit in at any club. Hell, even the customers aren&#039;t sure how to deal with me either, other than occasionally asking if I&#039;d &quot;love them long time&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if her conclusions would be different if she was dancing in a majority black city, like Atlanta (where I&#8217;m currently located.) We have mixed clubs like the one I work at, but the real &#8220;prestige&#8221; clubs that everyone knows about are the ones rappers make songs about &#8211; Strokers, Magic City, Onyx&#8230;<br />
I also find it interesting that she says less stage time = less money. That might be the case at the Lusty Lady, which I understand is more of a peep show, but at many clubs around the country, dancers will pay the DJ to stay off the stage because they make more money hustling on the floor.<br />
Like the author, I&#8217;m kinda interested in this topic. I&#8217;m a dancer of East Asian heritage &#8211; there aren&#8217;t a whole lot of us out there &#8211; and I&#8217;ve never really felt like I fit in at any club. Hell, even the customers aren&#8217;t sure how to deal with me either, other than occasionally asking if I&#8217;d &#8220;love them long time&#8221;.</p>
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