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		By: Megan		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/the-week-in-links-november-1st/#comment-13402</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Megan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2013 22:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/the-week-in-links-november-1st/#comment-12900&quot;&gt;Amanda&lt;/a&gt;.

Amanda, this is a quote from http://www.codepublishing.com/az/phoenix/frameless/index.pl?path=../html/Phoenix23/Phoenix2352.html

&quot; Is in a public place, a place open to public view or in a motor vehicle on a public roadway and manifests an intent to commit or solicit an act of prostitution. Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether such an intent is manifested are: that the person repeatedly beckons to, stops or attempts to stop or engage passersby in conversation or repeatedly, stops or attempts to stop, motor vehicle operators by hailing, waiving of arms or any other bodily gesture; that the person inquires whether a potential patron, procurer or prostitute is a police officer or searches for articles that would identify a police officer; or that the person requests the touching or exposure of genitals or female breast; &quot;

From a conversation I had with Dominique Roe-Sepowitz on this in September, I think it is being more widely applied then this definition suggests in sweeps...  If I remember our conversation, it goes something along the lines of anyone that is &quot;known&quot; and out on the street engaging in any level of conversation can have this used against them.  This is what local LE is doing, and she indicated she does not like this law, but her seeming aversion to conflict I think keeps her from taking action to prove that point.  The same ol&#039; same ol&#039; lack of funds to fight bogus or broad interpretations of the law continue to allow to allow this type of BS to continue...workers with no funds for proper defense can&#039;t do much about it.  I don&#039;t know the details surrounding Monica&#039;s case, but I hope if this is what happened to her, she finds the proper support, financial or otherwise, to bring light to how this law is really being used.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/the-week-in-links-november-1st/#comment-12900">Amanda</a>.</p>
<p>Amanda, this is a quote from <a href="http://www.codepublishing.com/az/phoenix/frameless/index.pl?path=" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.codepublishing.com/az/phoenix/frameless/index.pl?path=</a>../html/Phoenix23/Phoenix2352.html</p>
<p>&#8221; Is in a public place, a place open to public view or in a motor vehicle on a public roadway and manifests an intent to commit or solicit an act of prostitution. Among the circumstances that may be considered in determining whether such an intent is manifested are: that the person repeatedly beckons to, stops or attempts to stop or engage passersby in conversation or repeatedly, stops or attempts to stop, motor vehicle operators by hailing, waiving of arms or any other bodily gesture; that the person inquires whether a potential patron, procurer or prostitute is a police officer or searches for articles that would identify a police officer; or that the person requests the touching or exposure of genitals or female breast; &#8221;</p>
<p>From a conversation I had with Dominique Roe-Sepowitz on this in September, I think it is being more widely applied then this definition suggests in sweeps&#8230;  If I remember our conversation, it goes something along the lines of anyone that is &#8220;known&#8221; and out on the street engaging in any level of conversation can have this used against them.  This is what local LE is doing, and she indicated she does not like this law, but her seeming aversion to conflict I think keeps her from taking action to prove that point.  The same ol&#8217; same ol&#8217; lack of funds to fight bogus or broad interpretations of the law continue to allow to allow this type of BS to continue&#8230;workers with no funds for proper defense can&#8217;t do much about it.  I don&#8217;t know the details surrounding Monica&#8217;s case, but I hope if this is what happened to her, she finds the proper support, financial or otherwise, to bring light to how this law is really being used.</p>
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		By: Amanda		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/the-week-in-links-november-1st/#comment-12911</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Nov 2013 13:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looking forward to both features!]]></description>
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		By: Gar Lipow		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/the-week-in-links-november-1st/#comment-12907</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gar Lipow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Nov 2013 03:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh one thing I failed to make clear in the above post. Some people reading it may be going WTF because I talked about &quot;under 40&quot; whereas Obamacare cuts age discrimination which lowers prices for those over 50, but raises it for those under 40.  People in a cash business, even those who pay bills, can have a low credit score because of having less credit history, and in most states insurance companies can raise premiums for a low credit score. Same for arrest records. Same for living in &quot;bad&quot; neighborhood.  The first strongly affects many sex workers, Depending on economic bracket, so can the others. (Of course all of these affect many people besides sex workers.) The requirement to do community rating and not discriminate in rates on the basis of these factors probably makes up for premiums rising slightly for younger people.  And again, this varies. Some sex workers do business mainly by credit card, or are in a position to deposit most cash received and have normal or high credit ratings. Plus lowered ability to discriminate against medical conditions that only or mainly affect women.  So this is one area where I think Obamacare may be different for sex workers. The particular types of discrimination it ends may benefit younger sex workers enough that it may cut premiums for many younger healthy sex workers. (Of course if you are not healthy, it really lowers premiums.) Again maddening ways people of all ages can fall through cracks which never should have been there to begin with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh one thing I failed to make clear in the above post. Some people reading it may be going WTF because I talked about &#8220;under 40&#8221; whereas Obamacare cuts age discrimination which lowers prices for those over 50, but raises it for those under 40.  People in a cash business, even those who pay bills, can have a low credit score because of having less credit history, and in most states insurance companies can raise premiums for a low credit score. Same for arrest records. Same for living in &#8220;bad&#8221; neighborhood.  The first strongly affects many sex workers, Depending on economic bracket, so can the others. (Of course all of these affect many people besides sex workers.) The requirement to do community rating and not discriminate in rates on the basis of these factors probably makes up for premiums rising slightly for younger people.  And again, this varies. Some sex workers do business mainly by credit card, or are in a position to deposit most cash received and have normal or high credit ratings. Plus lowered ability to discriminate against medical conditions that only or mainly affect women.  So this is one area where I think Obamacare may be different for sex workers. The particular types of discrimination it ends may benefit younger sex workers enough that it may cut premiums for many younger healthy sex workers. (Of course if you are not healthy, it really lowers premiums.) Again maddening ways people of all ages can fall through cracks which never should have been there to begin with.</p>
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		By: Gar Lipow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Nov 2013 02:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK not an expert on sex work, but a long time activist in health care.  My guess for what it is worth is that it will depend a lot on your circumstances. Like the general population, I suspect a lot of sex workers will be better off, but a large minority worse off. A lot of discrimination will be illegal. If you have an income high enough not to qualify for subsidies, and are forty or under, you will almost certainly be able to get better insurance than you could before for a reasonable price. If you qualify for subsidies, there is a good chance you are better off, but you may fall through the cracks where you qualify for subsidies, but still can&#039;t afford decent insurance. If you qualify for medicaid, then it depends on well medicaid meets your needs.  The bottom line is: more people will be helped  than will be hurt. But, a few will be worse off. Many who were screwed (in the bad sense of the word) before will continue to be screwed.

This blog has given me the impression that sex workers are very diverse in their economic position, from very poor, to struggling but getting by, to doing pretty well, to doing VERY well.  That being so, I would expect Obamacare to affect different sex workers differently just as it does with the general population. Medicare for all some other type of true universal health plan would have been better. Even failing that, it is a shame that this plan sticks so many with high deductibles, co-pays and out of pocket. It leaves many behind. The Supreme Court made sure it leaves many more behind than it would have in other states, but even without that, it was always guaranteed to leave many behind. And in  some cases it leaves people worse off, which I find really unforgivable.   

BTW, I make sure only to comment when a post intersects an area where I have some depth of knowledge. But even so, if this is intended to be a safe space, and non-sex worker comments disrupt that, please let me know - and I won&#039;t post again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK not an expert on sex work, but a long time activist in health care.  My guess for what it is worth is that it will depend a lot on your circumstances. Like the general population, I suspect a lot of sex workers will be better off, but a large minority worse off. A lot of discrimination will be illegal. If you have an income high enough not to qualify for subsidies, and are forty or under, you will almost certainly be able to get better insurance than you could before for a reasonable price. If you qualify for subsidies, there is a good chance you are better off, but you may fall through the cracks where you qualify for subsidies, but still can&#8217;t afford decent insurance. If you qualify for medicaid, then it depends on well medicaid meets your needs.  The bottom line is: more people will be helped  than will be hurt. But, a few will be worse off. Many who were screwed (in the bad sense of the word) before will continue to be screwed.</p>
<p>This blog has given me the impression that sex workers are very diverse in their economic position, from very poor, to struggling but getting by, to doing pretty well, to doing VERY well.  That being so, I would expect Obamacare to affect different sex workers differently just as it does with the general population. Medicare for all some other type of true universal health plan would have been better. Even failing that, it is a shame that this plan sticks so many with high deductibles, co-pays and out of pocket. It leaves many behind. The Supreme Court made sure it leaves many more behind than it would have in other states, but even without that, it was always guaranteed to leave many behind. And in  some cases it leaves people worse off, which I find really unforgivable.   </p>
<p>BTW, I make sure only to comment when a post intersects an area where I have some depth of knowledge. But even so, if this is intended to be a safe space, and non-sex worker comments disrupt that, please let me know &#8211; and I won&#8217;t post again.</p>
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		By: Caty Simon		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/the-week-in-links-november-1st/#comment-12903</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Nov 2013 16:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/the-week-in-links-november-1st/#comment-12900&quot;&gt;Amanda&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually. the SWOP Phoenix member we interviewed about their Project Rose protests answered this question in a comprehensively detailed fashion, so stay tuned for that after the weekend. Also, you&#039;ve given me an idea--maybe a pro/con argument among sex workers as to whether Obamacare will benefit us as a Tits and Sass feature?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/the-week-in-links-november-1st/#comment-12900">Amanda</a>.</p>
<p>Actually. the SWOP Phoenix member we interviewed about their Project Rose protests answered this question in a comprehensively detailed fashion, so stay tuned for that after the weekend. Also, you&#8217;ve given me an idea&#8211;maybe a pro/con argument among sex workers as to whether Obamacare will benefit us as a Tits and Sass feature?</p>
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		By: Amanda		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Nov 2013 14:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What exactly is &quot;manifestation of prostitution&quot;? I really would like to know, I&#039;ve never heard of this charge before. Is it something the police made up on the spot?

Obamacare is not something I support, BTW. I fall through the cracks with it (as far as I can tell) and I suspect plenty of sex workers do. I also suspect it&#039;s going to make it really hard for those of us who pay cash for doctors to find doctors willing to work with cash patients. I see an even greater divide of health care accessibility on the way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly is &#8220;manifestation of prostitution&#8221;? I really would like to know, I&#8217;ve never heard of this charge before. Is it something the police made up on the spot?</p>
<p>Obamacare is not something I support, BTW. I fall through the cracks with it (as far as I can tell) and I suspect plenty of sex workers do. I also suspect it&#8217;s going to make it really hard for those of us who pay cash for doctors to find doctors willing to work with cash patients. I see an even greater divide of health care accessibility on the way.</p>
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