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	Comments on: Sin City (2005) and Sin City: A Dame To Kill For (2014)	</title>
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		By: whathostudio		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/sin-city-2005-and-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for-2014/#comment-236298</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 00:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a fan of the Sin City graphic novels, and one of the stories is all about the whores. Specifically it&#039;s Miho tracking down a guy who killed a whore accidentally (drive-by failure) when she was on the phone to her girlfriend. She destroys them perfectly. It&#039;s pretty great, because the men almost die thinking that it&#039;s a hit from another family, when really, their actions have unforeseen consequences that they can&#039;t run away from. I loved it.

I also don&#039;t remember where I heard it, but Frank Miller described Kevin and Miho as both being supernatural beings; Kevin basically being a devil and Miho being Sin City&#039;s avenging angel. So that&#039;s cool too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a fan of the Sin City graphic novels, and one of the stories is all about the whores. Specifically it&#8217;s Miho tracking down a guy who killed a whore accidentally (drive-by failure) when she was on the phone to her girlfriend. She destroys them perfectly. It&#8217;s pretty great, because the men almost die thinking that it&#8217;s a hit from another family, when really, their actions have unforeseen consequences that they can&#8217;t run away from. I loved it.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t remember where I heard it, but Frank Miller described Kevin and Miho as both being supernatural beings; Kevin basically being a devil and Miho being Sin City&#8217;s avenging angel. So that&#8217;s cool too.</p>
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		By: Evie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2014 00:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/sin-city-2005-and-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for-2014/#comment-206418&quot;&gt;jenny heineman&lt;/a&gt;.

If they are all in sex work yet that is their ONLY defining characteristic, I&#039;m not giving him the credit of assuming he wants our stories to be told. It&#039;s an excuse for limiting all female characters to be defined by sex and their sex life, because if they&#039;re sex workers they must not have anything else going on, right? 

I refuse to settle for representation that is no more than the job itself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/sin-city-2005-and-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for-2014/#comment-206418">jenny heineman</a>.</p>
<p>If they are all in sex work yet that is their ONLY defining characteristic, I&#8217;m not giving him the credit of assuming he wants our stories to be told. It&#8217;s an excuse for limiting all female characters to be defined by sex and their sex life, because if they&#8217;re sex workers they must not have anything else going on, right? </p>
<p>I refuse to settle for representation that is no more than the job itself.</p>
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		By: jenny heineman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jenny heineman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/sin-city-2005-and-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for-2014/#comment-205163&quot;&gt;Stephanie&lt;/a&gt;.

I get the whole male gaze critique but I generally cannot understand why writing all your characters as sex workers is anti-woman or even any-feminist. Isn&#039;t the goal to produce as many representations of women as possible such that our cultural depictions of women in film and other media are challenged? And though I&#039;ve not seen the film, it sounds like it passes the Bechdale Test? If so, it&#039;s a more transgressive flick than most.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/sin-city-2005-and-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for-2014/#comment-205163">Stephanie</a>.</p>
<p>I get the whole male gaze critique but I generally cannot understand why writing all your characters as sex workers is anti-woman or even any-feminist. Isn&#8217;t the goal to produce as many representations of women as possible such that our cultural depictions of women in film and other media are challenged? And though I&#8217;ve not seen the film, it sounds like it passes the Bechdale Test? If so, it&#8217;s a more transgressive flick than most.</p>
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		By: Stephanie		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/sin-city-2005-and-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for-2014/#comment-205163</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2014 07:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Because, apparently, if one of your female characters is a street worker or a stripper, you must hate women.&quot;

That&#039;s not the criticism I&#039;ve seen of Miller - it&#039;s more like, &quot;if almost every female character you write is a sex worker, and the few who aren&#039;t are two-dimensional sex objects, you probably hate women.&quot;

In the setting of Sin City it makes a kind of sense to have a lot of street workers, but he&#039;s also written two versions of Catwoman - one dominatrix, one escort agency manager - retconned Black Canary&#039;s story so her costume is the uniform of the strip club she bartends at, and regularly designs covers which reduce superheroines like Wonder Woman to their ass alone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because, apparently, if one of your female characters is a street worker or a stripper, you must hate women.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the criticism I&#8217;ve seen of Miller &#8211; it&#8217;s more like, &#8220;if almost every female character you write is a sex worker, and the few who aren&#8217;t are two-dimensional sex objects, you probably hate women.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the setting of Sin City it makes a kind of sense to have a lot of street workers, but he&#8217;s also written two versions of Catwoman &#8211; one dominatrix, one escort agency manager &#8211; retconned Black Canary&#8217;s story so her costume is the uniform of the strip club she bartends at, and regularly designs covers which reduce superheroines like Wonder Woman to their ass alone.</p>
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		By: Caty Simon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caty Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/sin-city-2005-and-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for-2014/#comment-203849&quot;&gt;Emma&lt;/a&gt;.

Emma, if you ever have time to write that metal piece for us, please let me know! Sounds like it&#039;d be a very important read, and we definitely don&#039;t have enough music analysis on TAS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/sin-city-2005-and-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for-2014/#comment-203849">Emma</a>.</p>
<p>Emma, if you ever have time to write that metal piece for us, please let me know! Sounds like it&#8217;d be a very important read, and we definitely don&#8217;t have enough music analysis on TAS.</p>
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		By: Joe		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/sin-city-2005-and-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for-2014/#comment-203874</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 17:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Loved this. I&#039;d kill for a whole vignette around Gail running shit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved this. I&#8217;d kill for a whole vignette around Gail running shit.</p>
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		By: Emma		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/sin-city-2005-and-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for-2014/#comment-203849</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 17:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So so agree with this critique. I was actually thinking about writing such a piece myself except analyzing extreme metal music, why despite its blatant and promiscuous misogyny it still felt like a better fit for me than the anti-sex work brands of &quot;feminist&quot; music I was told I should like. The women who wound up being role models to me were sex workers, transgender, drug users, and almost all had criminal records of some kind. But because of the complete no-go terrain of sex work and violence that didn&#039;t fit a clear normative self-defense explanation, these women did not feel there was a place for them in feminism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So so agree with this critique. I was actually thinking about writing such a piece myself except analyzing extreme metal music, why despite its blatant and promiscuous misogyny it still felt like a better fit for me than the anti-sex work brands of &#8220;feminist&#8221; music I was told I should like. The women who wound up being role models to me were sex workers, transgender, drug users, and almost all had criminal records of some kind. But because of the complete no-go terrain of sex work and violence that didn&#8217;t fit a clear normative self-defense explanation, these women did not feel there was a place for them in feminism.</p>
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