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		By: Violencia sexual y prostitución: el problema es la imagen que tenéis de nosotras &#124; Research Project Germany		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/shoplifting-safety-how-civilians-deny-the-consent-of-sex-workers/#comment-1181597</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Violencia sexual y prostitución: el problema es la imagen que tenéis de nosotras &#124; Research Project Germany]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2018 00:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] están aquellos que creen que las prostitutas no pueden ser violadas, ya que aparentemente estamos listas para acostarnos con cualquier persona en cualquier momento. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] están aquellos que creen que las prostitutas no pueden ser violadas, ya que aparentemente estamos listas para acostarnos con cualquier persona en cualquier momento. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Sexual violence and prostitution: The problem is your image of us &#124; Research Project Germany		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sexual violence and prostitution: The problem is your image of us &#124; Research Project Germany]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2017 04:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] there are also those who believe that prostitutes cannot be raped since we are apparently ready to go to bed with anyone at any time. Others again believe the exact [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] there are also those who believe that prostitutes cannot be raped since we are apparently ready to go to bed with anyone at any time. Others again believe the exact [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Stoya, James Deen And The Way Sex Work Stigma Hurts Survivors &#124; Chanelle Gallant		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stoya, James Deen And The Way Sex Work Stigma Hurts Survivors &#124; Chanelle Gallant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2015 18:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] tend to ignore sex workers of other genders) can consent to sex work, despite the loud and repeated claims to the contrary by sex workers themselves. In the same way that misogynists claim that no sex worker can be raped [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] tend to ignore sex workers of other genders) can consent to sex work, despite the loud and repeated claims to the contrary by sex workers themselves. In the same way that misogynists claim that no sex worker can be raped [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Stoya, James Deen And The Way Sex Work Stigma Hurts Survivors &#124; WORK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stoya, James Deen And The Way Sex Work Stigma Hurts Survivors &#124; WORK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2015 11:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] tend to ignore sex workers of other genders) can consent to sex work, despite the loud and repeated claims to the contrary by sex workers themselves. In the same way that misogynists claim that no sex worker can be raped [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] tend to ignore sex workers of other genders) can consent to sex work, despite the loud and repeated claims to the contrary by sex workers themselves. In the same way that misogynists claim that no sex worker can be raped [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Hobs		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/shoplifting-safety-how-civilians-deny-the-consent-of-sex-workers/#comment-1040386</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2015 01:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The gun. The utter terrifying fact of the gun being minimised in a clear case of rape around this whole incident is what astounds me also.  The openness of the rape culture apologists begger belief. Great article, the critical aspect of consent needs to constantly be put forth, thanks for publishing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gun. The utter terrifying fact of the gun being minimised in a clear case of rape around this whole incident is what astounds me also.  The openness of the rape culture apologists begger belief. Great article, the critical aspect of consent needs to constantly be put forth, thanks for publishing.</p>
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		By: Kagehi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kagehi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2015 14:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Setting aside &quot;sexual assault&quot;, the idea that, &quot;sex workers can&#039;t consent&quot;, seems to be a theme. Oh, its not, &quot;They consented by merely doing their jobs.&quot;, in this case, but no, I mean from the &quot;protect the victim&quot; angle I have been arguing for a while with someone who states, &quot;If someone is paying you for it, you are automatically a victim, and therefor cannot be said to have consented to do it.&quot; This person doesn&#039;t want to end &quot;all&quot; sex work, they don&#039;t much like some of the laws that currently exist to stop it, but they also a) can&#039;t define what the F actually defines the dividing line between &quot;sex work that is OK, and a prostitute&quot;, in any believable fashion (pointing out that even porn stars may, in certain cases, be &quot;paid&quot; money to have sex with people they don&#039;t know, who they didn&#039;t pick out for themselves, even if it is a rarer thing, just got me, &quot;Its not the same thing at all!&quot; Then there was the whole professional dom/sub issue, which, again, she didn&#039;t see as &quot;the same&quot;, but which I attempted to point out the law, and the people writing the laws, are very unlikely to make distinctions about.), and b) can&#039;t explain what *other* solution should be used to fix the problem.

She, for example, seems to love the whole &quot;end demand&quot; idiocy, which I compare to having desperate people, working on badly constructed, and just short of sinking, boats, then, instead of going after the boat owner, or creating regulations, and enforcing them, for boat safety, you a) let the owner hide, b) watch while the desperate workers, hired to run the boats, go down with them, without actually trying to rescue them, and finally c) claim that you are &quot;helping the real victims (i.e., the workers), by, instead, bankrupting the workers, and arresting the people buying cruise tickets.

Its a very bizarre, alternate, universe that &quot;sex work&quot; seems to live in, in which &quot;protecting and saving victims&quot;, means, &quot;Let the building burn down, around the hotel staff, while arresting the people renting rooms.&quot;, for another example I pointed out. I dare say that there is no other industry in which the prevailing solution to a problem is to harm the victim, for their own good, while not only failing to pursue the victimizer, but redefining the &quot;buyer of the service&quot;, as the one creating the victims, all while claiming the justification for this is, as the fool I argued with did, that, &quot;The reason they are victims is because you can&#039;t &#039;consent&#039; to sex for pay. The money makes it impossible!&quot;

But, I guess this is just sort of the flip side argument - &quot;We need to save the victims, since you can&#039;t consent to something someone is paying you to do.&quot; vs. &quot;It can&#039;t be assault, because you chose a job, in which you already consented to sex with the person you claim assaulted you.&quot; It makes me angry, but.. not surprised, sadly, that you can have people argue **both** of these contradictory things when talking about the same job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Setting aside &#8220;sexual assault&#8221;, the idea that, &#8220;sex workers can&#8217;t consent&#8221;, seems to be a theme. Oh, its not, &#8220;They consented by merely doing their jobs.&#8221;, in this case, but no, I mean from the &#8220;protect the victim&#8221; angle I have been arguing for a while with someone who states, &#8220;If someone is paying you for it, you are automatically a victim, and therefor cannot be said to have consented to do it.&#8221; This person doesn&#8217;t want to end &#8220;all&#8221; sex work, they don&#8217;t much like some of the laws that currently exist to stop it, but they also a) can&#8217;t define what the F actually defines the dividing line between &#8220;sex work that is OK, and a prostitute&#8221;, in any believable fashion (pointing out that even porn stars may, in certain cases, be &#8220;paid&#8221; money to have sex with people they don&#8217;t know, who they didn&#8217;t pick out for themselves, even if it is a rarer thing, just got me, &#8220;Its not the same thing at all!&#8221; Then there was the whole professional dom/sub issue, which, again, she didn&#8217;t see as &#8220;the same&#8221;, but which I attempted to point out the law, and the people writing the laws, are very unlikely to make distinctions about.), and b) can&#8217;t explain what *other* solution should be used to fix the problem.</p>
<p>She, for example, seems to love the whole &#8220;end demand&#8221; idiocy, which I compare to having desperate people, working on badly constructed, and just short of sinking, boats, then, instead of going after the boat owner, or creating regulations, and enforcing them, for boat safety, you a) let the owner hide, b) watch while the desperate workers, hired to run the boats, go down with them, without actually trying to rescue them, and finally c) claim that you are &#8220;helping the real victims (i.e., the workers), by, instead, bankrupting the workers, and arresting the people buying cruise tickets.</p>
<p>Its a very bizarre, alternate, universe that &#8220;sex work&#8221; seems to live in, in which &#8220;protecting and saving victims&#8221;, means, &#8220;Let the building burn down, around the hotel staff, while arresting the people renting rooms.&#8221;, for another example I pointed out. I dare say that there is no other industry in which the prevailing solution to a problem is to harm the victim, for their own good, while not only failing to pursue the victimizer, but redefining the &#8220;buyer of the service&#8221;, as the one creating the victims, all while claiming the justification for this is, as the fool I argued with did, that, &#8220;The reason they are victims is because you can&#8217;t &#8216;consent&#8217; to sex for pay. The money makes it impossible!&#8221;</p>
<p>But, I guess this is just sort of the flip side argument &#8211; &#8220;We need to save the victims, since you can&#8217;t consent to something someone is paying you to do.&#8221; vs. &#8220;It can&#8217;t be assault, because you chose a job, in which you already consented to sex with the person you claim assaulted you.&#8221; It makes me angry, but.. not surprised, sadly, that you can have people argue **both** of these contradictory things when talking about the same job.</p>
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		By: Nebethetepet		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/shoplifting-safety-how-civilians-deny-the-consent-of-sex-workers/#comment-1039861</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2015 06:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Powerful piece, Petra! Thank you for writing this, I was nodding and making duck-face the whole time in agreement. A person can have boundaries and have those boundaries violated no matter his/her/their profession.

This is a really great point: &quot;One has to wonder whether Mitchell’s argument that sometimes things that are clearly rape are somehow not rape because of circumstances could not just as easily be applied to marital rape or sexual assault while drunk/on drugs. After all, these groups could also be argued to be “putting [themselves] at risk for harm,” just like Mitchell argues sex workers do.&quot;

On that note, would an escort who&#039;s flat broke and at risk of being evicted be putting herself at risk for harm by NOT working? We all make choices in life. Why is choosing to sell sex a more terrible and more vilified form of harm than choosing homelessness?

What is so fucking special about sex, that makes it so evil?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powerful piece, Petra! Thank you for writing this, I was nodding and making duck-face the whole time in agreement. A person can have boundaries and have those boundaries violated no matter his/her/their profession.</p>
<p>This is a really great point: &#8220;One has to wonder whether Mitchell’s argument that sometimes things that are clearly rape are somehow not rape because of circumstances could not just as easily be applied to marital rape or sexual assault while drunk/on drugs. After all, these groups could also be argued to be “putting [themselves] at risk for harm,” just like Mitchell argues sex workers do.&#8221;</p>
<p>On that note, would an escort who&#8217;s flat broke and at risk of being evicted be putting herself at risk for harm by NOT working? We all make choices in life. Why is choosing to sell sex a more terrible and more vilified form of harm than choosing homelessness?</p>
<p>What is so fucking special about sex, that makes it so evil?</p>
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