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		By: Sola		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2015 02:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this amazingly brave and articulate article on a subject I&#039;ve been very much struggling with - against the desire to &quot;agree&quot; enough to be heard in very short amounts of time (15 minute bursts, generally), I&#039;m recently on record more than once using the false &quot;choice vs. coercion&quot; framework and language.  It is a simple and yet complex subject and I think the more we read and talk about this as sex workers and as activists, the more sensitivity for each other, and awareness of the larger frameworks and concerns, and efficiency hopefully even effectiveness in communicating...

Thank you again.  I&#039;m not only deeply touched by your writing, you have my mental wheels churning.
With much love,
S.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this amazingly brave and articulate article on a subject I&#8217;ve been very much struggling with &#8211; against the desire to &#8220;agree&#8221; enough to be heard in very short amounts of time (15 minute bursts, generally), I&#8217;m recently on record more than once using the false &#8220;choice vs. coercion&#8221; framework and language.  It is a simple and yet complex subject and I think the more we read and talk about this as sex workers and as activists, the more sensitivity for each other, and awareness of the larger frameworks and concerns, and efficiency hopefully even effectiveness in communicating&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you again.  I&#8217;m not only deeply touched by your writing, you have my mental wheels churning.<br />
With much love,<br />
S.</p>
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		By: Thaddeus Gregory Blanchette		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-176453</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thaddeus Gregory Blanchette]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 11:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By the way, I would never presume to tell a sex worker how she should work or what she should feel regarding said work.  I am currently not a sex worker and have never sold sex, so it is really not my place.

But that is not what we are talking about here, is it?

What we are talking about here is how the word &quot;trafficking&quot; gets used and I have a loooooong experience with that. Lots and lots of practical experience, being on the RdJ state anti-trafficking council and the Brazilian federal anti-trafficking council. I have seen, time and again, how everyone - from cops to feminists to church groups on down - have claimed that ALL sex workers are really trafficked and thatt he &quot;proper&quot; role of sex worker rights groups is to teach you all that fundamental lesson.By the way, I would never presume to tell a sex worker how she should work or what she should feel regarding said work.  I am currently not a sex worker and have never sold sex, so it is really not my place.

But that is not what we are talking about here, is it?

What we are talking about here is how the word &quot;trafficking&quot; gets used and I have a loooooong experience with that. Lots and lots of practical experience, being on the RdJ state anti-trafficking councila nd e Brazilian federal anti-trafficking council. I have seen, time and again, how everyone - from cops to feminists to church groups on down - have claimed that ALL sex workers are really trafficked and that the &quot;proper&quot; role of sex worker rights groups is to teach you all that fundamental lesson.

So based on my practical experience with these people and what they actually DO. to sex workers, it scares me to see sex workers who beleieve that trafficking rhetoric can be reclaimed.

That is really the long and short of it. It is my practical experience witht he trafficking issue that leads me to put out the warning I wrote above. That is something entirely different feom tellong sex workers how they should feel.

So based on my practical experience witht hese people and what they actually DO. to sex workers, it scares me to see sex workers who beleoeve that trafficking rhetoric can be reclaimed.

That is really the long and short of it. It is my practical experience witht he trafficking issue that leads me to put out the warning I wrote above. That is something entirely different feom tellong sex workers how they should feel.

But hey, if you think you can adapt prohibitionist rhetoric to your own ends, go for it. At the very least, it will provide one more objective example of what happens to sex worker activists when they adopt the opressor&#039;s rhetoric.

Because once again, and this needs to be stressed, &quot;trafficikg&quot; was created for the sole purpose of abolishing prostitution via the use of armd force.

Good luck with that one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I would never presume to tell a sex worker how she should work or what she should feel regarding said work.  I am currently not a sex worker and have never sold sex, so it is really not my place.</p>
<p>But that is not what we are talking about here, is it?</p>
<p>What we are talking about here is how the word &#8220;trafficking&#8221; gets used and I have a loooooong experience with that. Lots and lots of practical experience, being on the RdJ state anti-trafficking council and the Brazilian federal anti-trafficking council. I have seen, time and again, how everyone &#8211; from cops to feminists to church groups on down &#8211; have claimed that ALL sex workers are really trafficked and thatt he &#8220;proper&#8221; role of sex worker rights groups is to teach you all that fundamental lesson.By the way, I would never presume to tell a sex worker how she should work or what she should feel regarding said work.  I am currently not a sex worker and have never sold sex, so it is really not my place.</p>
<p>But that is not what we are talking about here, is it?</p>
<p>What we are talking about here is how the word &#8220;trafficking&#8221; gets used and I have a loooooong experience with that. Lots and lots of practical experience, being on the RdJ state anti-trafficking councila nd e Brazilian federal anti-trafficking council. I have seen, time and again, how everyone &#8211; from cops to feminists to church groups on down &#8211; have claimed that ALL sex workers are really trafficked and that the &#8220;proper&#8221; role of sex worker rights groups is to teach you all that fundamental lesson.</p>
<p>So based on my practical experience with these people and what they actually DO. to sex workers, it scares me to see sex workers who beleieve that trafficking rhetoric can be reclaimed.</p>
<p>That is really the long and short of it. It is my practical experience witht he trafficking issue that leads me to put out the warning I wrote above. That is something entirely different feom tellong sex workers how they should feel.</p>
<p>So based on my practical experience witht hese people and what they actually DO. to sex workers, it scares me to see sex workers who beleoeve that trafficking rhetoric can be reclaimed.</p>
<p>That is really the long and short of it. It is my practical experience witht he trafficking issue that leads me to put out the warning I wrote above. That is something entirely different feom tellong sex workers how they should feel.</p>
<p>But hey, if you think you can adapt prohibitionist rhetoric to your own ends, go for it. At the very least, it will provide one more objective example of what happens to sex worker activists when they adopt the opressor&#8217;s rhetoric.</p>
<p>Because once again, and this needs to be stressed, &#8220;trafficikg&#8221; was created for the sole purpose of abolishing prostitution via the use of armd force.</p>
<p>Good luck with that one.</p>
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		By: Thaddeus Gregory Blanchette		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-174684</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-165697&quot;&gt;Trista&lt;/a&gt;.

Go ahead and use the words you want. Far be it from me to tell anyone how to do anything. However, I have my opinion and it is informed by personal experinces and by listening to what a lot of sex workers have to say - most particularly sex workers in economies a lot more desperate than the U.S.&#039;  or Canada&#039;s. It is also informed by watching what the cops in my country actually DO and how that gets sold by NGOs who use trafficking to cover every form of  &quot;immorality&quot; that they don&#039;t like.

Pointing that out isn&#039;t taking yours - or anyone&#039;s - rightt o a different opinion away from them. And if you think &quot;trafficking&quot; is somehow recoverable as a term for sex worker rights activities, go for it. Use it and find out what happens. I have a pretty good hypothesis as to what that would be, but I could be wrong, of course.

I, however, will continue to point out why I think it is an unrecoverable term. And if you would like to change my opinion on that, it is quite simple: show one example in the 150 year history of the term where it was actually employed to help sex workers.

If you&#039;d like to dialogue with those workers, go for it! I think the Brazilian sex workers movement needs all the international allies it can get.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-165697">Trista</a>.</p>
<p>Go ahead and use the words you want. Far be it from me to tell anyone how to do anything. However, I have my opinion and it is informed by personal experinces and by listening to what a lot of sex workers have to say &#8211; most particularly sex workers in economies a lot more desperate than the U.S.&#8217;  or Canada&#8217;s. It is also informed by watching what the cops in my country actually DO and how that gets sold by NGOs who use trafficking to cover every form of  &#8220;immorality&#8221; that they don&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>Pointing that out isn&#8217;t taking yours &#8211; or anyone&#8217;s &#8211; rightt o a different opinion away from them. And if you think &#8220;trafficking&#8221; is somehow recoverable as a term for sex worker rights activities, go for it. Use it and find out what happens. I have a pretty good hypothesis as to what that would be, but I could be wrong, of course.</p>
<p>I, however, will continue to point out why I think it is an unrecoverable term. And if you would like to change my opinion on that, it is quite simple: show one example in the 150 year history of the term where it was actually employed to help sex workers.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like to dialogue with those workers, go for it! I think the Brazilian sex workers movement needs all the international allies it can get.</p>
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		By: Thaddeus Gregory Blanchette		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-174673</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-168032&quot;&gt;Brazen Lee&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep. People are definitely allowed to hate sex work. Or any job, for that matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-168032">Brazen Lee</a>.</p>
<p>Yep. People are definitely allowed to hate sex work. Or any job, for that matter.</p>
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		By: Thaddeus Gregory Blanchette		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-174666</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-174659&quot;&gt;Thaddeus Gregory Blanchette&lt;/a&gt;.

And saying that, let me say that I have heard hundreds of Brazilian sex workers classify domestic labor, low wage servicee conomy labor, and sexual/affective/reproductive labor as &quot;slavery&quot; in an economy where minimum wage work earns you 300 USD a month, full time. 

So which of these sex worker voices should I give priority to?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-174659">Thaddeus Gregory Blanchette</a>.</p>
<p>And saying that, let me say that I have heard hundreds of Brazilian sex workers classify domestic labor, low wage servicee conomy labor, and sexual/affective/reproductive labor as &#8220;slavery&#8221; in an economy where minimum wage work earns you 300 USD a month, full time. </p>
<p>So which of these sex worker voices should I give priority to?</p>
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		By: Thaddeus Gregory Blanchette		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-161887&quot;&gt;Robin D&lt;/a&gt;.

Robin, Walmart sets the hours and conditions, under the definition of trafficking beig batted around above, an abusive boyfriend who forces a partner to work at Walmart should be considered just as much a traficker as one who forces someone to work elsewhere.

The Palermo Protocol SPECIFICALLY defines trafficking as thhe act of MOVING someone into slave labor, not the act pf hiring them into it.

Here in Brazil, we have plenty of labor brokers who could be qualified as traffickers, but who don&#039;t set hoursa nd wages themselves: they just drive the sheep to market, so to speak.

I am unsure of why you think trafficking is impossible unless the trafficker themselves is setting the wages and hours.

I realize I am talking to someone who has been a sex worker. I also realize that that person probably doesn&#039;t have much experience with coerced labor in the so-called third world, so their experimces with the job-labor market might uave some blind spots.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-161887">Robin D</a>.</p>
<p>Robin, Walmart sets the hours and conditions, under the definition of trafficking beig batted around above, an abusive boyfriend who forces a partner to work at Walmart should be considered just as much a traficker as one who forces someone to work elsewhere.</p>
<p>The Palermo Protocol SPECIFICALLY defines trafficking as thhe act of MOVING someone into slave labor, not the act pf hiring them into it.</p>
<p>Here in Brazil, we have plenty of labor brokers who could be qualified as traffickers, but who don&#8217;t set hoursa nd wages themselves: they just drive the sheep to market, so to speak.</p>
<p>I am unsure of why you think trafficking is impossible unless the trafficker themselves is setting the wages and hours.</p>
<p>I realize I am talking to someone who has been a sex worker. I also realize that that person probably doesn&#8217;t have much experience with coerced labor in the so-called third world, so their experimces with the job-labor market might uave some blind spots.</p>
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		By: Brazen Lee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2014 21:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amazing! I used to be one of the &quot;I chose this work and I love it&quot; sex workers who would ignore this type of story, and/or conflate this type of narrative with the &quot;survivor who wants to abolish sex work&quot; narrative, but luckily, sex workers I know, and voices like yours, have taught me better than that. 

Thanks for sharing, and for speaking your truth. Like any industry, we&#039;re allowed to hate our jobs and still qualify for protection and rights, and I&#039;m sick of the super privileged happy hooker narrative that now dominates the mainstream. 

BRAVA!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing! I used to be one of the &#8220;I chose this work and I love it&#8221; sex workers who would ignore this type of story, and/or conflate this type of narrative with the &#8220;survivor who wants to abolish sex work&#8221; narrative, but luckily, sex workers I know, and voices like yours, have taught me better than that. </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing, and for speaking your truth. Like any industry, we&#8217;re allowed to hate our jobs and still qualify for protection and rights, and I&#8217;m sick of the super privileged happy hooker narrative that now dominates the mainstream. </p>
<p>BRAVA!!</p>
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		By: Trista		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2014 11:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trafficking has a different legal definition everywhere too. In my country, they are currently changing it so the no international borders need to be crossed. So yes, literally down the street could be considered trafficking. 
There are 3 threats: 1. The law swooping in to &#039;&#039;save&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;trafficked&#039;&#039; sex workers from their occupation, which they do not want to be &#039;&#039;saved&#039;&#039; from, and all resulting interventions (such as deportation). Anti-traffickers only get funding by quoting inflated and often fictional figures on how many people are trafficked for sex. If their definition is broad enough to include every sex worker 18 or under, every sex worker who supports an unemployed partner, etc etc, then the numbers are really high. This is why the definition of trafficking needs to be narrowed and needs to be consistant internationally. 
2. the sex work abolitionists swaying things to the point that those laws are created, or held. 
3. The third is about sex workers respecting each other and keeping it real, partly because work needs to be done to get or retain workers rights.
 
By their definition I&#039;m trafficked too, because I worked before I was 18. I am not trafficked, that is absurd.

On &#039;survival sex work&#039;, almost all paid work is either for survival or to get wealthy and have excess. I don&#039;t see what the hell access to fry cook jobs has to do with it, but for what it&#039;s worth you can&#039;t be a fry cook during school hours and make enough to pay for your childrens food, clothing, and education. Sex work hours are often flexible and fit around kids, other employment, family committments, etc.

Also, dude, for a non-sex worker you are contradicting everyone else in the extreme.. most likely the majority of us are sex workers,, the author obviously included. We don&#039;t need to be told what words to use and how to identify. Sex workers are sick to death of that shit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trafficking has a different legal definition everywhere too. In my country, they are currently changing it so the no international borders need to be crossed. So yes, literally down the street could be considered trafficking.<br />
There are 3 threats: 1. The law swooping in to &#8221;save&#8221; &#8221;trafficked&#8221; sex workers from their occupation, which they do not want to be &#8221;saved&#8221; from, and all resulting interventions (such as deportation). Anti-traffickers only get funding by quoting inflated and often fictional figures on how many people are trafficked for sex. If their definition is broad enough to include every sex worker 18 or under, every sex worker who supports an unemployed partner, etc etc, then the numbers are really high. This is why the definition of trafficking needs to be narrowed and needs to be consistant internationally.<br />
2. the sex work abolitionists swaying things to the point that those laws are created, or held.<br />
3. The third is about sex workers respecting each other and keeping it real, partly because work needs to be done to get or retain workers rights.</p>
<p>By their definition I&#8217;m trafficked too, because I worked before I was 18. I am not trafficked, that is absurd.</p>
<p>On &#8216;survival sex work&#8217;, almost all paid work is either for survival or to get wealthy and have excess. I don&#8217;t see what the hell access to fry cook jobs has to do with it, but for what it&#8217;s worth you can&#8217;t be a fry cook during school hours and make enough to pay for your childrens food, clothing, and education. Sex work hours are often flexible and fit around kids, other employment, family committments, etc.</p>
<p>Also, dude, for a non-sex worker you are contradicting everyone else in the extreme.. most likely the majority of us are sex workers,, the author obviously included. We don&#8217;t need to be told what words to use and how to identify. Sex workers are sick to death of that shit.</p>
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		By: Radfems, Harassment, Survival Sex &#124; sexualityreclaimed		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 16:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Robin D		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2014 23:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-161887&quot;&gt;Robin D&lt;/a&gt;.

And NO ONE thinks coercion means &quot;I need money to survive.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/on-surviving-sex-work/#comment-161887">Robin D</a>.</p>
<p>And NO ONE thinks coercion means &#8220;I need money to survive.&#8221;</p>
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