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		By: No Use For A		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[No Use For A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Appreciate this post very much. It&#039;s appalling how logic of the majority of these customers seems to come down to the difference between rape and consent is 4 walls and a $20 bill. It&#039;s not OK on the sidewalk, in the parking lot, and definitely not inside a club. A woman may pay a doctor for an exam, but a customer in a club who probably just came from the bathroom without washing his hands after shaking his dick. See the difference?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appreciate this post very much. It&#8217;s appalling how logic of the majority of these customers seems to come down to the difference between rape and consent is 4 walls and a $20 bill. It&#8217;s not OK on the sidewalk, in the parking lot, and definitely not inside a club. A woman may pay a doctor for an exam, but a customer in a club who probably just came from the bathroom without washing his hands after shaking his dick. See the difference?</p>
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		By: Casey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/new-ts-comment-policy-dont-be-obtuse/#comment-507&quot;&gt;_jsw_&lt;/a&gt;.

I love jsw too. (farm animals...heh)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/new-ts-comment-policy-dont-be-obtuse/#comment-507">_jsw_</a>.</p>
<p>I love jsw too. (farm animals&#8230;heh)</p>
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		By: Casey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jo beat me to it.  But here, anyway: I love you too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo beat me to it.  But here, anyway: I love you too.</p>
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		By: DaisyDeadhead		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/new-ts-comment-policy-dont-be-obtuse/#comment-536</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Saw this at Joan&#039;s and I&#039;ll just say:  this also happened to me when I danced in a club, 35 years ago, when I was 18.  I&#039;ve never seen anyone else write about it, so thank you.  

We weren&#039;t even 100% naked (they had laws then, this was Ohio) and yet, there was the same male entitlement to the dancers.  No matter how much of a woman&#039;s body is truly &quot;in their faces&quot;--they think *all of her* belongs to them]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw this at Joan&#8217;s and I&#8217;ll just say:  this also happened to me when I danced in a club, 35 years ago, when I was 18.  I&#8217;ve never seen anyone else write about it, so thank you.  </p>
<p>We weren&#8217;t even 100% naked (they had laws then, this was Ohio) and yet, there was the same male entitlement to the dancers.  No matter how much of a woman&#8217;s body is truly &#8220;in their faces&#8221;&#8211;they think *all of her* belongs to them</p>
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		By: This lady nails it &#171; Chicks Dig Me		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/new-ts-comment-policy-dont-be-obtuse/#comment-518</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[This lady nails it &#171; Chicks Dig Me]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] my cynical, un-nuanced reasons for not being yay-Slutwalks personally, but I loved the post that this post on Tits and Sass is referencing (well actually it&#8217;s referencing fuckhead comments from the other post), and I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] my cynical, un-nuanced reasons for not being yay-Slutwalks personally, but I loved the post that this post on Tits and Sass is referencing (well actually it&#8217;s referencing fuckhead comments from the other post), and I [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Joan Kelly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 23:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love you too, and am linking.  Thank you for this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love you too, and am linking.  Thank you for this.</p>
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		By: Motor City Strippers! &#124; Tits and Sass		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/new-ts-comment-policy-dont-be-obtuse/#comment-515</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Motor City Strippers! &#124; Tits and Sass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 21:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] face. Where do guys get that from? Naked body parts are not asking to be grabbed at, touched, or filled, for that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] face. Where do guys get that from? Naked body parts are not asking to be grabbed at, touched, or filled, for that [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: nympholepsy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like this dude to sit down and think very, very, very long and hard about the fact that his first instinct upon seeing a woman is his desire to put his hands (or his penis, or his dollar bills) on or inside her, without asking her -- because as someone who is also attracted solely to vaginas (although I am not a dude), I can tell you that when I see one, my instinct isn&#039;t to &quot;shove something inside it&quot;. Arousal occurs most of the time, yeah, but it&#039;s  not like I&#039;m overcome with the urge to stick my tongue in there like he seems to be implying is normal for straight men. Essentially, he&#039;s taking for granted the idea that he has a RIGHT to touch women however he wants, whenever he wants -- regardless of whether he&#039;s been given clear consent beforehand by that woman. (And simply being in a strip club is not clear consent, because it&#039;s common knowledge that in MOST CLUBS, touching the dancers without permission is NOT okay.) Do you really feel that entitled to women&#039;s bodies that it wouldn&#039;t occur to you to stop and ask, &quot;Hey, is it okay if I put this dollar inside you, or would you prefer I just handed it to you?&quot; REALLY? Who raised you to believe that all women&#039;s bodies are accessible to you, all the time? Who taught you this? 

When we talk about &quot;rape culture,&quot; this is what we mean: the idea that men, straight men, have that they do not have to have clear consent before touching a woman&#039;s body, that they can err on the side of putting things inside her without asking her and still be in the right because they were &quot;just confused&quot;. That a woman who is butt-ass naked and on a pole is automatically consenting to be touched wherever and by whomever; that a woman who is wearing a short skirt in a bar is automatically consenting to have sex whenever and with whomever. It doesn&#039;t work like that, guys, and it&#039;s really not as complicated as you think it is. Just don&#039;t touch women without asking first, even if her vagina is right in front of your face.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like this dude to sit down and think very, very, very long and hard about the fact that his first instinct upon seeing a woman is his desire to put his hands (or his penis, or his dollar bills) on or inside her, without asking her &#8212; because as someone who is also attracted solely to vaginas (although I am not a dude), I can tell you that when I see one, my instinct isn&#8217;t to &#8220;shove something inside it&#8221;. Arousal occurs most of the time, yeah, but it&#8217;s  not like I&#8217;m overcome with the urge to stick my tongue in there like he seems to be implying is normal for straight men. Essentially, he&#8217;s taking for granted the idea that he has a RIGHT to touch women however he wants, whenever he wants &#8212; regardless of whether he&#8217;s been given clear consent beforehand by that woman. (And simply being in a strip club is not clear consent, because it&#8217;s common knowledge that in MOST CLUBS, touching the dancers without permission is NOT okay.) Do you really feel that entitled to women&#8217;s bodies that it wouldn&#8217;t occur to you to stop and ask, &#8220;Hey, is it okay if I put this dollar inside you, or would you prefer I just handed it to you?&#8221; REALLY? Who raised you to believe that all women&#8217;s bodies are accessible to you, all the time? Who taught you this? </p>
<p>When we talk about &#8220;rape culture,&#8221; this is what we mean: the idea that men, straight men, have that they do not have to have clear consent before touching a woman&#8217;s body, that they can err on the side of putting things inside her without asking her and still be in the right because they were &#8220;just confused&#8221;. That a woman who is butt-ass naked and on a pole is automatically consenting to be touched wherever and by whomever; that a woman who is wearing a short skirt in a bar is automatically consenting to have sex whenever and with whomever. It doesn&#8217;t work like that, guys, and it&#8217;s really not as complicated as you think it is. Just don&#8217;t touch women without asking first, even if her vagina is right in front of your face.</p>
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		By: _jsw_		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/new-ts-comment-policy-dont-be-obtuse/#comment-507</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 05:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve arrived here via a series of links from other sites, and I&#039;m quite glad I did - the articles I&#039;ve had time so far to read have been fantastic. Irony Butterfly, you did an excellent job of dissecting his comments. I noticed a few other things in them.

First: &quot;Personally, I can’t quite understand your transformation from being bored when he *looked* at you to being practically traumatized when he *touched* you.&quot; In my experience, this is the way life works: people look at you all the time. It&#039;s never a big deal. People &lt;i&gt;touching&lt;/i&gt; you, though... it&#039;s always a very different thing. This is true on the bus, at Starbucks, at the mall, walking down the street. The fact that looking at and touching are very different things is ingrained in normal social conditioning.

Second: &quot;In real life – outside of a club – looking is followed quite naturally by touching.&quot; This guy is likely also confused by the concept of paying in restaurants, because in &quot;real life&quot; his grandma doesn&#039;t bill him for each meal. It&#039;s amazing that he thinks that looking at someone&#039;s body in a strip club is exactly analogous to someone deciding - it would seem perhaps poorly - to reveal her body to him in private.

Third: &quot;I’m a straight male, when I see a pussy I have two immediate impulses: rub it and put something in it.&quot; Very well addressed by Irony Butterfly. I just wanted to add a few things: I hope the guy never has daughters, I hope he never sees his mother naked, and he should stay away from farm animals.

I&#039;ve been into a strip club exactly once in my life. I&#039;ve never used escorts. I&#039;m like a virgin commenting on the Kama Sutra here. However, I do think it&#039;ll be fun to read and participate, and I do hope that the type of thought behind the comments addressed by Irony Butterfly is known to be atypical and also proof of why oxygen deficiency during birth can be so harmful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve arrived here via a series of links from other sites, and I&#8217;m quite glad I did &#8211; the articles I&#8217;ve had time so far to read have been fantastic. Irony Butterfly, you did an excellent job of dissecting his comments. I noticed a few other things in them.</p>
<p>First: &#8220;Personally, I can’t quite understand your transformation from being bored when he *looked* at you to being practically traumatized when he *touched* you.&#8221; In my experience, this is the way life works: people look at you all the time. It&#8217;s never a big deal. People <i>touching</i> you, though&#8230; it&#8217;s always a very different thing. This is true on the bus, at Starbucks, at the mall, walking down the street. The fact that looking at and touching are very different things is ingrained in normal social conditioning.</p>
<p>Second: &#8220;In real life – outside of a club – looking is followed quite naturally by touching.&#8221; This guy is likely also confused by the concept of paying in restaurants, because in &#8220;real life&#8221; his grandma doesn&#8217;t bill him for each meal. It&#8217;s amazing that he thinks that looking at someone&#8217;s body in a strip club is exactly analogous to someone deciding &#8211; it would seem perhaps poorly &#8211; to reveal her body to him in private.</p>
<p>Third: &#8220;I’m a straight male, when I see a pussy I have two immediate impulses: rub it and put something in it.&#8221; Very well addressed by Irony Butterfly. I just wanted to add a few things: I hope the guy never has daughters, I hope he never sees his mother naked, and he should stay away from farm animals.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been into a strip club exactly once in my life. I&#8217;ve never used escorts. I&#8217;m like a virgin commenting on the Kama Sutra here. However, I do think it&#8217;ll be fun to read and participate, and I do hope that the type of thought behind the comments addressed by Irony Butterfly is known to be atypical and also proof of why oxygen deficiency during birth can be so harmful.</p>
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		By: Art		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This was a good article, but I find it very sad that it had to be written in the first place. To me ASKING, showing dancer&#039;s RESPECT, &#038; COMMUNICATING with them seems like no-brainer stuff. To my way of thinking. If you don&#039;t ask questions and talk with the dancers how are they going to get to know you so they can make your stay a more pleasureable one? And how are we ( the client) going know what her likes/dislikes are? As far as touching goes, I believe that will always be up to the individual dancer. Seems many people forget (sadly) dancers are people too, with rights and bounderies just like everyone else. One should ALWAYS wait to be invited to get closer or touch them. We all have bounderies, just because we are at a stripclub doesn&#039;t mean one deserves any lessening of the respect you would give a person outside the club.   Guess i started to write my own blog here...sorry. :) It was a good blog, but sad there was a reason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a good article, but I find it very sad that it had to be written in the first place. To me ASKING, showing dancer&#8217;s RESPECT, &amp; COMMUNICATING with them seems like no-brainer stuff. To my way of thinking. If you don&#8217;t ask questions and talk with the dancers how are they going to get to know you so they can make your stay a more pleasureable one? And how are we ( the client) going know what her likes/dislikes are? As far as touching goes, I believe that will always be up to the individual dancer. Seems many people forget (sadly) dancers are people too, with rights and bounderies just like everyone else. One should ALWAYS wait to be invited to get closer or touch them. We all have bounderies, just because we are at a stripclub doesn&#8217;t mean one deserves any lessening of the respect you would give a person outside the club.   Guess i started to write my own blog here&#8230;sorry. 🙂 It was a good blog, but sad there was a reason.</p>
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