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		By: Miss Margo		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12089</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss Margo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S.  I only have like 8 followers on Twitter, but I am going to rebuke Feministe right now.  Cowards.  I hate cowards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  I only have like 8 followers on Twitter, but I am going to rebuke Feministe right now.  Cowards.  I hate cowards.</p>
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		By: Miss Margo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss Margo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s reprehensible that Feministe pulled that piece without commentary.  Either the editorial staff stands by Pahman&#039;s article, or they DON&#039;T stand by it but leave it up (perhaps updated with their thoughts on why they no longer support it), or they pull it and apologize/explain/at least ACKNOWLEDGE that they pulled it.  What they did is 1) thought control, and 2) admitting that they fucked up, but not apologizing for it.  

It&#039;s not even a plea bargain.  It&#039;s Feministe shooting the internet the double bird.  

Fuck them.  Cowards.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s reprehensible that Feministe pulled that piece without commentary.  Either the editorial staff stands by Pahman&#8217;s article, or they DON&#8217;T stand by it but leave it up (perhaps updated with their thoughts on why they no longer support it), or they pull it and apologize/explain/at least ACKNOWLEDGE that they pulled it.  What they did is 1) thought control, and 2) admitting that they fucked up, but not apologizing for it.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not even a plea bargain.  It&#8217;s Feministe shooting the internet the double bird.  </p>
<p>Fuck them.  Cowards.</p>
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		By: Chris Hall		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12066</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12065&quot;&gt;Caty Simon&lt;/a&gt;.

That is a great and thorough comment, and I think that Feministe needs a lot more of that stuff to appear as posts, not comments. If you&#039;re interested in rescuing any more, there&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WyKp-Zv25ggJ:www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2013/09/07/guest-post-dear-feminists/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cached version&lt;/a&gt; that shows what it looked like as of Wednesday. I don&#039;t know how long Google caches last, though. I&#039;ve saved it to a .webarchive file.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12065">Caty Simon</a>.</p>
<p>That is a great and thorough comment, and I think that Feministe needs a lot more of that stuff to appear as posts, not comments. If you&#8217;re interested in rescuing any more, there&#8217;s a <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WyKp-Zv25ggJ:www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2013/09/07/guest-post-dear-feminists/" rel="nofollow">cached version</a> that shows what it looked like as of Wednesday. I don&#8217;t know how long Google caches last, though. I&#8217;ve saved it to a .webarchive file.</p>
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		By: Caty Simon		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12065</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caty Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12060&quot;&gt;Chris Hall&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, and they also have a history of stealing sex workers&#039; ideas without crediting them--there&#039;s a weak attempt at an apology here: http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2013/02/08/centering-sex-worker-voices/

I actually managed to save this excellent comment from a former street sex worker by quoting it on my tumblr:
http://marginalutilite.tumblr.com/post/61117592837/lawd-knows-even-a-former-street-work-like-myself]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12060">Chris Hall</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, and they also have a history of stealing sex workers&#8217; ideas without crediting them&#8211;there&#8217;s a weak attempt at an apology here: <a href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2013/02/08/centering-sex-worker-voices/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2013/02/08/centering-sex-worker-voices/</a></p>
<p>I actually managed to save this excellent comment from a former street sex worker by quoting it on my tumblr:<br />
<a href="http://marginalutilite.tumblr.com/post/61117592837/lawd-knows-even-a-former-street-work-like-myself" rel="nofollow ugc">http://marginalutilite.tumblr.com/post/61117592837/lawd-knows-even-a-former-street-work-like-myself</a></p>
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		By: Chris Hall		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12062</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12060&quot;&gt;Chris Hall&lt;/a&gt;.

Whoops. That link above is missing the protocol. It should be: &lt;a href=&quot;http://jadehawks.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/feministe-is-apparently-never-going-to-learn-this-lesson/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feministe is Apparently Never Going to Learn This Lesson&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12060">Chris Hall</a>.</p>
<p>Whoops. That link above is missing the protocol. It should be: <a href="http://jadehawks.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/feministe-is-apparently-never-going-to-learn-this-lesson/" rel="nofollow">Feministe is Apparently Never Going to Learn This Lesson</a></p>
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		By: Chris Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12059&quot;&gt;Caty Simon&lt;/a&gt;.

I have not. I got an email from my blog at about noon on Friday (PST), telling me that the links had gone dead, so it&#039;s been at least that long since they decided to take it down. (I have a plugin that monitors the site for broken links.) So, they&#039;ve had &lt;em&gt;at least&lt;/em&gt; 72 hours to craft some kind of response or apology. I have seen none, either on their blog or on their Twitter feed, and at this point, I&#039;m not holding my breath. I&#039;m writing a piece on that now, because if anything, I think that the deletion was even worse than the original decision. Notice that by deleting the article, they also deleted several hundred comments, many of which were strongly critical of it from multiple aspects. I feel that the greatest loss was Kitty Stryker&#039;s excellent comment talking about why and how she made her decision to become a sex worker. The deletion functions as another way of silencing sex workers and ignoring their criticisms.

I also think that it&#039;s important not to get over-focused on &lt;em&gt;this post&lt;/em&gt;, because it&#039;s not the real problem; the problem is a long-established pattern at Feministe of centering non-sex worker voices, and then ignoring sex workers when they&#039;re criticized. This was just a particularly glaring chapter in a long pattern, and we don&#039;t want to ignore that this is a systemic thing, not a momentary fuckup. 

If you haven&#039;t seen it, I also recommend Jadehawk&#039;s critique, &lt;a href=&quot;jadehawks.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/feministe-is-apparently-never-going-to-learn-this-lesson/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feministe is Apparently Never Going to Learn This Lesson&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12059">Caty Simon</a>.</p>
<p>I have not. I got an email from my blog at about noon on Friday (PST), telling me that the links had gone dead, so it&#8217;s been at least that long since they decided to take it down. (I have a plugin that monitors the site for broken links.) So, they&#8217;ve had <em>at least</em> 72 hours to craft some kind of response or apology. I have seen none, either on their blog or on their Twitter feed, and at this point, I&#8217;m not holding my breath. I&#8217;m writing a piece on that now, because if anything, I think that the deletion was even worse than the original decision. Notice that by deleting the article, they also deleted several hundred comments, many of which were strongly critical of it from multiple aspects. I feel that the greatest loss was Kitty Stryker&#8217;s excellent comment talking about why and how she made her decision to become a sex worker. The deletion functions as another way of silencing sex workers and ignoring their criticisms.</p>
<p>I also think that it&#8217;s important not to get over-focused on <em>this post</em>, because it&#8217;s not the real problem; the problem is a long-established pattern at Feministe of centering non-sex worker voices, and then ignoring sex workers when they&#8217;re criticized. This was just a particularly glaring chapter in a long pattern, and we don&#8217;t want to ignore that this is a systemic thing, not a momentary fuckup. </p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen it, I also recommend Jadehawk&#8217;s critique, <a href="jadehawks.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/feministe-is-apparently-never-going-to-learn-this-lesson/" rel="nofollow">Feministe is Apparently Never Going to Learn This Lesson</a>.</p>
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		By: Caty Simon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caty Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12057&quot;&gt;Chris Hall&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank YOU---your take down was astute, and most importantly, it highlighted and credited sex workers&#039; responses. I&#039;m really seething about the lack of accountability from Feministe regarding this post--thinking if they just delete it, the problem will disappear. You haven&#039;t heard any more news regarding this, have you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/belated-quote-of-the-week-2/#comment-12057">Chris Hall</a>.</p>
<p>Thank YOU&#8212;your take down was astute, and most importantly, it highlighted and credited sex workers&#8217; responses. I&#8217;m really seething about the lack of accountability from Feministe regarding this post&#8211;thinking if they just delete it, the problem will disappear. You haven&#8217;t heard any more news regarding this, have you?</p>
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		By: Chris Hall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2013 19:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks so much. It&#039;s an honor to be quoted on your site. I&#039;m going to sit her and feel all warm and fuzzy, now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much. It&#8217;s an honor to be quoted on your site. I&#8217;m going to sit her and feel all warm and fuzzy, now.</p>
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