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		By: sarah m		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Five years later, and I still love reading this piece.]]></description>
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		By: May 2, 2016: Utilizing Art to Explain the Topsy-Turvy, Mixed-Up, Very Bad World of Sex Trafficking: Host Emma Breacain Speaks with Dell’Arte Theatre School Students Erin Johnston, Kate Tobie and Grace Booth about ”Jane Doe In Wonderland.” &#124; Through		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2016 21:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: April 18, 2016: “The Better I Do My Job, The More People Will Want Me Dead.” Host Emma Breacain Speaks with Domestic Sex Trafficking Survivor and Victim Advocate Elle Snow, Part 2 of 2 &#124; Through the Eyes of Women Radio		</title>
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		By: April 11, 2016: “We Are Everywhere.” Host Emma Breacain Speaks with Domestic Sex Trafficking Survivor and Victim Advocate Elle Snow, Part 1 of 2 &#124; Through the Eyes of Women Radio		</title>
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		By: Mavis		</title>
		<link>https://titsandsass.com/a-hobbyists-perspective-we-just-dont-give-a-shit/#comment-7649</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mavis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 16:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I noticed a tendency of some review writers and/or general fucktards to give their real name and work info for screening purposes (probably because no provider would ever vouch for them.) At any rate, I got really devious at one point about one of these guys who posted a down right cruel and mean review about me. Not just me, but all the providers he reviewed under that handle. It wasn&#039;t that we weren&#039;t  up to par, no, he was having a field day describing how hideous, ugly, old, etc. we all were, and it was breathtakingly evil. Btw, the handle was the  name of a character in opera who uses and destroys a prostitute.

However, remember, he gave his real name when I screened him and I remembered the session from the details he wrote about. I went and found him on facebook. I printed out all his &quot;friend&quot; names. I then created a fake facebook personae and messaged him. I told him if he, under that certain &quot;nom de plume&quot; handle, didn&#039;t delete all his mean reviews about all the girls he reviewed (he used this handle to be a general bastard to many providers) I would message his friends and family on FB and &quot;out him.&quot; 

Amazingly the next day all the reviews, including mine, were gone! O.k., so this took an extraordinary amount of work, but boy was it worth it! Muahahaa....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed a tendency of some review writers and/or general fucktards to give their real name and work info for screening purposes (probably because no provider would ever vouch for them.) At any rate, I got really devious at one point about one of these guys who posted a down right cruel and mean review about me. Not just me, but all the providers he reviewed under that handle. It wasn&#8217;t that we weren&#8217;t  up to par, no, he was having a field day describing how hideous, ugly, old, etc. we all were, and it was breathtakingly evil. Btw, the handle was the  name of a character in opera who uses and destroys a prostitute.</p>
<p>However, remember, he gave his real name when I screened him and I remembered the session from the details he wrote about. I went and found him on facebook. I printed out all his &#8220;friend&#8221; names. I then created a fake facebook personae and messaged him. I told him if he, under that certain &#8220;nom de plume&#8221; handle, didn&#8217;t delete all his mean reviews about all the girls he reviewed (he used this handle to be a general bastard to many providers) I would message his friends and family on FB and &#8220;out him.&#8221; </p>
<p>Amazingly the next day all the reviews, including mine, were gone! O.k., so this took an extraordinary amount of work, but boy was it worth it! Muahahaa&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Elle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 22:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/a-hobbyists-perspective-we-just-dont-give-a-shit/#comment-7119&quot;&gt;Robin D&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t agree Robin. End Demand is bad for everyone. It&#039;s bad for society. It is a pathetic idea and an even more pathetic attempt at social engineering. It hurts a lot of people not just sex workers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/a-hobbyists-perspective-we-just-dont-give-a-shit/#comment-7119">Robin D</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree Robin. End Demand is bad for everyone. It&#8217;s bad for society. It is a pathetic idea and an even more pathetic attempt at social engineering. It hurts a lot of people not just sex workers.</p>
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		By: Amelia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 05:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It always grates on me when I hear girls adopt customers&#039; juvenile terminologies, although &quot;hobbyist&quot; is definitely not the most disgusting one.  My gut reaction is always that we are encouraging it by repeating it.  All it ever says to me when a man calls himself a hobbyist is that he probably has no real hobbies at all.

But maybe we have to play along, with that and with reviews and review culture and with other things like &quot;liking it&quot;/hating it (as Charlotte Shane discussed in a recent post), which I have listed here in increasing order of number of times you have to let the customer one-up you (for lack of a better way to describe it) before the interaction is complete (and sometimes you don&#039;t even know when that is).

Am I the only one who got into this work because I saw how we have to work through these problems even in unpaid life?  If we&#039;re doing it anyway we might as well be paid for it, and if we&#039;re doing it and being paid for it, then we (at least those of us who have made it a profession) should do it right in order to work the most efficiently and have the most successful business.

I know you all have realized that for many if not most (if not all) reviewers, reviews are not reviews at all but are an extension of the appointment.  I know that there are a lot of issues surrounding this and I know it involves a lot of real problems that exist whether or not we are at work, but for the purpose of work I&#039;d like to suggest, at least as a theory, that we should separate between problems that are within the transaction and problems that are outside of it -- that is, between things that interfere with our money and things that don&#039;t (because we can be certain that they will be paid for).

Like I said, this is only a theory because it&#039;s possible that every aspect of the imbalanced client-provider interaction can come into conflict with our earning potential.  But what I&#039;m saying here, or, really, what I&#039;m debating the viability of, is a shift in which we stop seeing reviews as outside of or above our money, and start seeing it as another thing that we provide as part of the service.

I know it&#039;s probably an endless loop of one-upping each other (or, our being one-upped by them).  I was heartbroken to find that after all the steps of male-female interaction that I went through in order to try and be treated the way I wanted to be treated, reviews stood at the very last one and I could move no further, ultimate proof of the natural inequality that will always exist.  But as long as that&#039;s the way it is I&#039;d like to make as much money off of it as I possibly can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always grates on me when I hear girls adopt customers&#8217; juvenile terminologies, although &#8220;hobbyist&#8221; is definitely not the most disgusting one.  My gut reaction is always that we are encouraging it by repeating it.  All it ever says to me when a man calls himself a hobbyist is that he probably has no real hobbies at all.</p>
<p>But maybe we have to play along, with that and with reviews and review culture and with other things like &#8220;liking it&#8221;/hating it (as Charlotte Shane discussed in a recent post), which I have listed here in increasing order of number of times you have to let the customer one-up you (for lack of a better way to describe it) before the interaction is complete (and sometimes you don&#8217;t even know when that is).</p>
<p>Am I the only one who got into this work because I saw how we have to work through these problems even in unpaid life?  If we&#8217;re doing it anyway we might as well be paid for it, and if we&#8217;re doing it and being paid for it, then we (at least those of us who have made it a profession) should do it right in order to work the most efficiently and have the most successful business.</p>
<p>I know you all have realized that for many if not most (if not all) reviewers, reviews are not reviews at all but are an extension of the appointment.  I know that there are a lot of issues surrounding this and I know it involves a lot of real problems that exist whether or not we are at work, but for the purpose of work I&#8217;d like to suggest, at least as a theory, that we should separate between problems that are within the transaction and problems that are outside of it &#8212; that is, between things that interfere with our money and things that don&#8217;t (because we can be certain that they will be paid for).</p>
<p>Like I said, this is only a theory because it&#8217;s possible that every aspect of the imbalanced client-provider interaction can come into conflict with our earning potential.  But what I&#8217;m saying here, or, really, what I&#8217;m debating the viability of, is a shift in which we stop seeing reviews as outside of or above our money, and start seeing it as another thing that we provide as part of the service.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s probably an endless loop of one-upping each other (or, our being one-upped by them).  I was heartbroken to find that after all the steps of male-female interaction that I went through in order to try and be treated the way I wanted to be treated, reviews stood at the very last one and I could move no further, ultimate proof of the natural inequality that will always exist.  But as long as that&#8217;s the way it is I&#8217;d like to make as much money off of it as I possibly can.</p>
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		By: Miss Margo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss Margo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 13:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello again!

The forums at SAAFE.info have the right idea, I think, but they are based in the UK and most of the SWs who post there are British.  They do have special sections of their forum for time-wasters, scammers, and DANGEROUS clients.  

The SAAFE forum is also very Escort-centric...probably not a big deal, as I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if some of my fetish clients also see Escorts or private Dancers or Masseuse...

I would TOTALLY participate in an online forum...or even a email listserve, which might be easier to do, at least at first.  SWs could submit email addys and we could email dangerous/ripoff client info to one another.  While I would be happy to review clients in other ways (Awful hygiene! Showed up falling-down drunk! lol), I think that dangerous clients or those that renege on the fee/steal from you are the most important to know about.  I haven&#039;t had many of those, thank goodness, but I can think of at least 3 that I will NEVER see again and I hope that NO other SWs have the misfortune of meeting them....yikes...

If anyone wants to to continue this conversation about the forum/email listserve w me personally, please feel free to drop me an email: piecesofmargo at gmail dot com.  I don&#039;t want to be rude and spam the comments here at T &#038; S (unless admin doesn&#039;t mind).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again!</p>
<p>The forums at SAAFE.info have the right idea, I think, but they are based in the UK and most of the SWs who post there are British.  They do have special sections of their forum for time-wasters, scammers, and DANGEROUS clients.  </p>
<p>The SAAFE forum is also very Escort-centric&#8230;probably not a big deal, as I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if some of my fetish clients also see Escorts or private Dancers or Masseuse&#8230;</p>
<p>I would TOTALLY participate in an online forum&#8230;or even a email listserve, which might be easier to do, at least at first.  SWs could submit email addys and we could email dangerous/ripoff client info to one another.  While I would be happy to review clients in other ways (Awful hygiene! Showed up falling-down drunk! lol), I think that dangerous clients or those that renege on the fee/steal from you are the most important to know about.  I haven&#8217;t had many of those, thank goodness, but I can think of at least 3 that I will NEVER see again and I hope that NO other SWs have the misfortune of meeting them&#8230;.yikes&#8230;</p>
<p>If anyone wants to to continue this conversation about the forum/email listserve w me personally, please feel free to drop me an email: piecesofmargo at gmail dot com.  I don&#8217;t want to be rude and spam the comments here at T &amp; S (unless admin doesn&#8217;t mind).</p>
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		By: Priscilla		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Priscilla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 08:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/a-hobbyists-perspective-we-just-dont-give-a-shit/#comment-7127&quot;&gt;MB&lt;/a&gt;.

I think Caty has a great idea. A site like that could also be used as a screening tool, I think.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/a-hobbyists-perspective-we-just-dont-give-a-shit/#comment-7127">MB</a>.</p>
<p>I think Caty has a great idea. A site like that could also be used as a screening tool, I think.</p>
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		By: BP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 03:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://titsandsass.com/a-hobbyists-perspective-we-just-dont-give-a-shit/#comment-7121&quot;&gt;Robin D&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m not good with web technology but if someone else got a board designed and running I would totally post, moderate, help spread the word, etc...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://titsandsass.com/a-hobbyists-perspective-we-just-dont-give-a-shit/#comment-7121">Robin D</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not good with web technology but if someone else got a board designed and running I would totally post, moderate, help spread the word, etc&#8230;</p>
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